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So in the liturgy, we have the bishop blessing us and calling us the vine. We are the vine that the right hand of the Lord God has planted. And therefore we are supposed to bring forth fruit. We are the vineyard that is supposed to bring forth fruit according to the psalmist.Ah. Yes please. I would like to read it.
Let's see. 2.5 Billion Christian, you named 220 million. Easy math (less than 10%, virtually all Christians.
The scripture you cited say NOTHING about the Filioque. All you posted is scripture that says there is a Holy Spirit.
Fact is, SS people by in large accept Rome's definition, without scriptural backup. ouch!
Here's the problem with calling Mary the Mother of God.
When we refer to God, we usually mean God Father, or Yahweh.
God, Yahweh, did not have a mother - God always existed and there was no being before Him.
If we mean Jesus, the Word Incarnate, and we know that He is God,,,then it would seem to be correct.
Except we really don't mean Jesus, do we?
I like to say that Mary is the Mother of Jesus,,,Mother of The Word - or the 2nd person of the Trinity.
Comment?
I didn't cite these numbers so that we can base right theology off of them. I cited them to make you aware that they have a voice too.Let's see. 2.5 Billion Christian, you named 220 million. Easy math (less than 10%, virtually all Christians.
No. I posted Scripture addressing the procession of that Spirit. The only real disagreement here between East and West is whether these verses apply to his procession in an economy sense or in an ontological sense.The scripture you cited say NOTHING about the Filioque. All you posted is scripture that says there is a Holy Spirit.
As I've said elsewhere, all Christians have inherited the patrimony of the Fathers. That is not the issue. The issue is, did the Fathers see Trinitology as an extra-Biblical tradition? No, they did not. They employed Scripture.Fact is, SS people by in large accept Rome's definition, without scriptural backup. ouch!
QUOTE="Oompa Loompa, post: 76292478, member: 428612"]Yes, nowhere does the Bible say there is one God in three persons.
What's an SS denomination?I wonder if the Holy Spirit is fickle. Evidently, the HS is inspiring some SS denominations to teach their members to interpret scripture to say that Mary is the Mother of God and denominations He is inspiring them to teach their members to interpret scripture to say she is not.
Answer: The Holy Spirit is not fickle. This is the perfect example and proof that SS fails at the most basic level.
I think you need to read post 104 again.....Explain this please:
If they're the same person,,,then 1/3 of the Trinity was missing when Jesus was born....
Are you saying that he was localized?I think you need to read post 104 again.....
facts are facts. Let's never lose sight of that!You know you're my favorite person on CF, right?
There's something about you baiting me that keeps me sharp.
Never change your trollish ways my friend.
no you did not.No. I posted Scripture addressing the procession of that Spirit
Sacred Tradition. It's just as important as scripture. Thank you for making that point!As I've said elsewhere, all Christians have inherited the patrimony of the Fathers
SS Christians are hung up on it. I'm just holding them accountable. And buy forcing them to use Scripture "alone", many holes in their beliefs are brought to light. And if I can get one person to recognize the error, I am happy!I think that you're hung up on the word 'alone',
Let's see. 2.5 Billion Christian, you named 220 million. Easy math (less than 10%, virtually all Christians.)
That's not your job. You're going to kill over trying to do that. Don't worry about other people, just focus on yourself; your comprehension skills, your debate tactics, ect. This isn't a crusade. We have a common Savior and hopefully are going to the same place.no you did not.
Sacred Tradition. It's just as important as scripture. Thank you for making that point!
SS Christians are hung up on it. I'm just holding them accountable. And buy forcing them to use Scripture "alone", many holes in their beliefs are brought to light. And if I can get one person to recognize the error, I am happy!
No.Are you saying that he was localized?
I know precisely what I'm talking about. All you have to do is read the exchange about Mary the Mother of God to see I am right in my conclusion.Nah. You don't know what you're talking about
your choice.Until you stop punching a paper tiger, I might bow out
When I recieve a coherent answer to my questions, we can move forward.But going over the same stuff is boring. I'm thinking we should pick a new topic to argue about. Maybe you'll do better.
you worry about you, I'll worry about me.That's not your job. You're going to kill over trying to do that. Don't worry about other people, just focus on yourself; your comprehension skills, your debate tactics, ect. This isn't a crusade. We have a common Savior and hopefully are going to the same place
I know precisely what I'm talking about. All you have to do is read the exchange about Mary the Mother of God to see I am write in my conclusion.
your choice.
When I recieve a coherent answer to my questions, we can move forward.
you worry about you, I'll worry about me.
No.
Jesus was on earth.
And the second Person of the Trinity stayed in heaven, or in God, or however you understand that.
I think you said you agree...
the most accurate post you've made in responding to me.Luther broke off from the true Church. A bunch of people followed him. But they started bickering over how to interpret the Bible. They broke off from each other and they're now thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of diverging denominations.
Re your PS, I have to agree with @concretecamper .So long as you worrying about you doesn't include you trying to reform me, I'm good.
I'm trying my best not to worry about anyone.
6 ft.
PS, you're full of it my love. I have defended Mary as Theotokos. That you are lumping people outside your communion, together is a logical and historical fallacy.
This is your story: Luther broke off from the true Church. A bunch of people followed him. But they started bickering over how to interpret the Bible. They broke off from each other and they're now thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of diverging denominations.
No, Concrete. Just no.
the most accurate post you've made in responding to me.
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