Nailed to the cross?

[k4c]

Quite a quandary huh? From one perspective I could be calling plank eye on you (Matthew 7:3-5). On the other hand I could be saying that we allow Jesus to perform the surgery and that's all we can do. We can't perform surgery ourselves.

Not even once did I ever say we do the surgery. Nor have I ever indicated that we do the surgery. I believe your statement is just another way of wearing out the saints.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Quite a quandary huh? From one perspective I could be calling plank eye on you (Matthew 7:3-5). On the other hand I could be saying that we allow Jesus to perform the surgery and that's all we can do. We can't perform surgery ourselves.

You still have to do the preparation and testing before the surgery.

 

[zeker33:9]

Not even once did I ever say we do the surgery. Nor have I ever indicated that we do the surgery. I believe your statement is just another way of wearing out the saints.

If finding the truth wears out the saints, the saints are in trouble. Especially when that truth is staring them in the face in their own words. Our obedience is in allowing Him to perform the surgery. Do you tell the doctor where to cut you open?

He is the potter we are the clay. He is the vine we are the branches the fruit is a result of the vine, not anything the fruit did.

 

[Cribstyl]

So you believe that if I'm a married person living in adultery with another woman and the Law points out the fact that I'm a transgressor who stands condemned and in need of a Savior I can continue to live in adultery once I receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior? Hmmm, that's cool!!!

Did I say that?

What you're telling me is that if I'm a thief who has been shown the light and I turn to Jesus and become born again I can continue to steal because I am not under the Law? All the Law does is point out my sin and my need for Jesus and it has no other use after that?

Did I say that?

If your doctor tells you that you have cancer and are in need of surgery would you say all you need is the diagnosis from the doctor and not the surgery. Would you say that even if you got the surgery there would be no need for future check ups or CAT Scans?

The Law points out sin so Jesus can do the surgery. The Law continues to point out sin the remainder of our whole lives so that those who are coming to God and those who love God can make the daily changes that are need to be a godly people. Take away that Law and righteousness and holiness becomes open for interpretation and we see what that looks like in the religious world today.

Without the Law there will be lawlessness and what does the word say about lawlessness in the last days.

Mathew 24:11-13 "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 7:23 "And then Jesus will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Matthew 13:41 "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Romans 6:19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

You will either practice lawlessness or righteousness so if we're preaching no Law the only outcome is lawlessness.

Wake up people! The time is very near...

You have not supported any of your claims as usual. You have not given reasonable responses to disputed issues from your OP.

 

[k4c]

Did I say that?
Did I say that?




You have not supported any of your claims as usual. You have not given reasonable responses to disputed issues from your OP.

Did you notice my question marks?

Anyway, let me draw out from the confusion you live in with my next question so others can see it.

Can I, after receiving Jesus as my Lord and Savior, live a life of adultery, lying, stealing, murdering, forgetting the Sabbath and so on without any conviction and still be saved and right with God?

 

[David Conklin]

>On the other hand I could be saying that we allow Jesus to perform the surgery

As I said before: as it should be.

>and that's all we can do.

Well, if your problem is with drink, you can certainly stay out of the bar.

 

[associate chaplain]

Maybe Horatio Caine should have said 'lets agree to disagree" and move on!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Anyway, let me draw out from the confusion you live in with my next question so others can see it.

Can I, after receiving Jesus as my Lord and Savior, live a life of adultery, lying, stealing, murdering, forgetting the Sabbath and so on without any conviction and still be saved and right with God?

K4C, you know they are not going to directly answer the question... they will say that the Spirit takes these things from them when they are converted. Which of course, anyone who is honest with themselves, cannot claim. Sin and temptation are ever present and our Salvation needs to be worked out.

Phil 2-11-13
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Maybe Horatio Caine should have said 'lets agree to disagree" and move on!

Unfortunately, that could be said of every thread in this forum....

For those that are wanting unity amonst all 'Christians', why don't you go and get started without us Adventists and we'll catch up later...

 

[k4c]

K4C, you know they are not going to directly answer the question... they will say that the Spirit takes these things from them when they are converted. Which of course, anyone who is honest with themselves, cannot claim. Sin and temptation are ever present and our Salvation needs to be worked out.

Phil 2-11-13
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I know but it's so tempting to bring to the surface their delusion so knew people will get a glimpse of how off their thinking is.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Happy Sabbath!!

I know but it's so tempting to bring to the surface their delusion so knew people will get a glimpse of how off their thinking is.

The scales on their eyes prevent them seeing it brother...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Maybe Horatio Caine should have said 'lets agree to disagree" and move on!

That's definitely an admirable option. If there is a problem in this forum, I submit that the problem does not stem from the fact that folks disagree. That's inevitable. Rather, it's our inability to simply disagree and move on. Perhaps even discuss topics on which we can agree (i.e. that we hold "in common"). I'd love that kind of fellowship!

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

That's definitely an admirable option. If there is a problem in this forum, I submit that the problem does not stem from the fact that folks disagree. That's inevitable. Rather, it's our inability to simply disagree and move on. Perhaps even discuss topics on which we can agree (i.e. that we hold "in common"). I'd love that kind of fellowship!

BFA

Are you a representative from the Worldwide Council of Churches?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Are you a representative from the Worldwide Council of Churches?

No. I'm an HR Manager for a retail company in Ohio. Actually, I've never heard of the Worldwide Council of Churches. What is it?

BFA

 

[k4c]

No. I'm an HR Manager for a retail company in Ohio. Actually, I've never heard of the Worldwide Council of Churches. What is it?

BFA

Be careful ECR, I think he knows the answer already and might be trying to reel you in to wear you out.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Be careful ECR, I think he knows the answer already and might be trying to reel you in to wear you out.

Not only do I not know the answer, I don't understand ECR's question. Is there some sort of an accusation here that I'm not fully understanding? I've been pretty open about who I am, where I've been and why I'm here. Actually, posters here probably know far more about me than they know about any other frequent poster in this forum. I'm an open book. I certainly am not here to "reel you in" and "wear you out."

Let's stick to discussing ideas and not one another.

BFA

 

[k4c]

Not only do I not know the answer, I don't understand ECR's question. Is there some sort of an accusation here that I'm not fully understanding? I've been pretty open about who I am, where I've been and why I'm here. Actually, posters here probably know far more about me than they know about any other frequent poster in this forum. I'm an open book. I certainly am not here to "reel you in" and "wear you out."

Let's stick to discussing ideas and not one another.

BFA

The following question of yours is meant to wear out the saints.

State law. What authorizes me to divorce my wife if she stops washing dishes or stops all intimacy with me? Is such a divorce justified under a state standard? Under a Biblical standard?

Does God divorce us for such things?

BFA

This reply of yours is done to avoid the truth and causes God's people to spend much time correcting what you are trying to lead people to believe. This wears out the saints.

Answer these questions for me without all the fluff.

I'm a married person living in adultery with another woman and the Law points out the fact that I'm a transgressor who stands condemned and in need of a Savior can continue to live in adultery and call myself saved and right right God because I receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior?

Does my wife have the right, In God's eyes, to divorce me in light of my continued unfaithfulness?

I'm a thief and a liar who has been shown the light, I turn to Jesus and become born again. Can continue to lie and steal because I am not under the Law?

 

[Kira Light]

The following question of yours is meant to wear out the saints.

This reply of yours is done to avoid the truth and causes God's people to spend much time correcting what you are trying to lead people to believe. This wears out the saints.

Answer these questions for me without all the fluff.

I'm a married person living in adultery with another woman and the Law points out the fact that I'm a transgressor who stands condemned and in need of a Savior can continue to live in adultery and call myself saved and right right God because I receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior?

Does my wife have the right, In God's eyes, to divorce me in light of my continued unfaithfulness?

I'm a thief and a liar who has been shown the light, I turn to Jesus and become born again. Can continue to lie and steal because I am not under the Law?

No one stops sinning once saved.. So of course the answer is YES you CAN sin once born again and still be saved. Otherwise, none will be saved...

 

[k4c]

No one stops sinning once saved.. So of course the answer is YES you CAN sin once born again and still be saved. Otherwise, none will be saved...

No doubt...but we just don't continue sinning to so that grace may abound. There has to be confession, repentance and cleansing, in other words, 1 John 1:9. Otherwise sin will harden the heart and turn us away from God's saving work, Hebrews 6:4-5-6 and James 5:19-20.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

No one stops sinning once saved.. So of course the answer is YES you CAN sin once born again and still be saved. Otherwise, none will be saved...

So are we saved in our sin or from our sin??