Nagasaki

[Garyapostle]

Dear Jeff,

No wonder that the A-Bomb was called (and still is) the "Christian Bomb." The most ardent defenders of the use of the use are American Christians. I find that to be a grave moral-ethical-spiritual problem.

Peace,
Gary

 

[KenH]

Nagasaki, the topic of this thread was a war crime and nothing less.

Gary,

If you are correct, then who should be punished for this war crime and what should the punishment be?

Ken

 

[cenimo]

Garyapostle
Compare Nagasaki to Dresden

Thus far all we have is Nagasaki was a war crime in your opinion

Define war crime for us please, not your version of the definition, but dictionary version...

Then please tell us who ever went on trial for Nagasaki, and if they didn't, why no one did...

 

[Polycarp1]

I just want to jump in to address the comments by Brimshack responded to by Wolseley earlier in the thread. (I've read two of the four recommended books, and think that Code Name: Downfall defines the situation admirably well.) There are actually three distinct questions: 1. What alternatives to dropping the atomic bombs were available? 2. Would Japan have surrendered without their use? and 3. What did we (the U.S.) know with reference to 2 at the time? (Hindsight is all well and good, and it's permissible to criticize someone for making a decision that was in error in the light of facts found out afterwards -- but the only just criticisms of the conduct of Truman, Marshall, et al. is on the basis of what they knew at the time and what they should have known on the basis of currently available but not considered information.)

And in point of fact, the only practicable scenario available to them, as far as they knew, was to proceed with the invasion of Japan (as Wols detailed) with or without use of the A-bombs. The hope was that the "shock and awe" of the bombs, which so far as Japan knew we had a substantial supply of, would be enough to engender a willingness to surrender, preventing the slaughter that would have resulted from the invasion. In point of fact, this is close to what happened. (In point of fact, the bombs were something of a bluff -- we had a grand total of three atomic weapons available to us during World War II -- the test at Trinity and the two dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We could make more -- but it would take time.)

What the actual situation unknown to Truman and his advisors was, is that there was a small and ineffectual peace faction among the Japanese leadership. How ineffectual is shown by the only pre-Hiroshima peace feeler Japan made, which was effectively that we jointly call the war over and the U.S. go away, allowing them to pick up where they left off. Most of the military leadership were prepared, even after Nagasaki, to fight on -- and the structure of the Japanese government before the McArthur reforms gave the military effective veto power over all decisions. The impact of the two bombs on the rest of the Japanese goverment, exclusive of the peace faction and the warlords, and especially on Hirohito (up until this point a figurehead monarch on the British model), was what turned the tide and brought about the surrender.

There was no alternate plan to the invasion, other than the hope that sooner or later they'd realize they'd lost and surrender. The A-bombs brought that message shatteringly home.

 

[yen]

If the atomic bomb drops were grave sins, then the employment of any weapon in armed combat is a grave sin

It was a grave sin. Why? The bomb was not a necessity. It has been shown that the Emperor was already in the process of surrendering. We had absolutely no reason to drop that bomb, other than to fill our own agendas of showing the world our might, and because so much money was spent on that bomb, and it wasn't going to go to waste. There had to be a reason for it, so they made one up.

I don't believe the fact that they had 1000's of Japanese Kamikazi's ready to go in either. The bombers flew in without much conflict at all. Why? The Japanese air force had already been nearly wiped out. We had no resistance on our way to bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

We didn't start that war, we ended it.

We did, you just don't know it. Everyone takes what they see, and never looks at the deeper issues. Check out this article.

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/worldwar2.htm

Way to go folks, jump all over the US for Hiroshima and Nagasaki without one mention of Pearl Harbor.

We provoked it. Again, people need to research into things instead of taking things as they appear.

No, Gary; if it had been the other way, thousands of Americans would have been executed

What about us putting INNOCENT Japanese American civilian in our own personal concentration camps. Is this not wrong?

 

[cenimo]

And the people that died at Pearl Harbor, they were personally responsible for these conspiracy theories being touted here? They were the ones that provoked the attack huh?

Never any bewailing of American blood being shed on this board...but what else could be expected by people brainwashed by socialist teachers and revisionist history...

 

[Force]

I don't believe the fact that they had 1000's of Japanese Kamikazi's ready to go in either. The bombers flew in without much conflict at all. Why? The Japanese air force had already been nearly wiped out. We had no resistance on our way to bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

(This is just one of MANY that I have found...there are many sites that have this info. Especially now that they have opened A LOT of old classified documents to the public recently. The fact is that the word Kamikaze means what?! Oh thats right it means : a member of a Japanese air attack corps in World War II assigned to make a suicidal crash on a target (as a ship). Think about it)

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Sixth Army assessed that there were 5,000 enemy combat planes of all types within range of intervention. In addition, an estimated 4,000 - 5,000 training planes could be used for kamikaze attacks. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Sixth Army also believed that the Japanese would fight the decisive battle on Kyushu, and commit all of their aircraft, primarily in kamikaze attacks. Upwards of 10,000 aircraft would be available to the Japanese to conduct an all-out suicide air offensive against the transport ships and landing craft. These attacks would be strengthened by the probable widespread use of the suicide-piloted rocket plane (BAKA), which was modeled after the German V-1 rocket bomb.[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]USAFPAC estimates said that Japans airforce was limited in numbers and capabilities. 2,000 would be first line aircraft, while the remainder would be training planes or obsolete models. It was expected that an intense and violent air reaction would occur prior to landing, and probably consist largely of kamikaze attacks. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The attacks would include both massed air attacks, and frequent small sorties. However, it was assessed that no more than 500 to 800 aircraft would be sacrificed in attempts to prevent the Allied landing, therefore this threat would be manageable by the massive Allied naval and air invasion force. There was the belief that the Japanese were going to save the preponderance of their aircraft for the decisive battle on the Tokyo Plain, which would come in the spring of 1946. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The kamikaze attacks against the U.S. fleet at Okinawa came after the aircraft flew more than 500 miles over open ocean. Many inexperienced pilots lost their way and never reached the American fleet. This great distance also allowed the fleet to receive early warning from picket ships and scramble fighters to engage the kamikazes. Bad weather in the target area also hampered the kamikaze pilots from acquiring their targets. With all of these difficulties, the Japanese ratio of planes launched to planes successfully striking their targets was 1 in 9. [/font]


[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Japanese flew 1,840 "special-attack" planes during the battle for Okinawa. A ratio of 1 in 9 would equate to approximately 202 planes striking their targets. The U.S. Navy reported 192 ships hit by kamikaze planes during the battle of Okinawa; of these, 15 were sunk. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Although the damage inflicted by the Kamikaze planes was superficial, they managed to kill 12,300 American servicemen and wound 36,400.[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]For the defense of Kyushu the Japanese were to employ upwards of 10,000 kamikaze planes. [/font]


[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]It is highly probable that the Japanese suicide attack hit ratio would have been higher, probably closer to 1 in 6 or 1 in 7. At these ratios, 1,400 to 1,600 kamikaze aircraft would have hit American ships. With their targets being transports, the casualty rate per hit would have been higher than at Okinawa where destroyers were the primary target. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]In addition to the kamikaze aircraft, the U.S. fleet also would have had to deal with all of the Japanese Navy's special attack boats and midget submarines. Even if the suicide attacks were only marginally successful, the U.S. attack ratio would have eroded still farther. If the Japanese did succeed in delivering 1,500 hits against the transports, the mythical "Divine Wind" may well have blown again, turning away another invasion fleet. [/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]On 18 July 1945, the Joint War Plans Committee issued another Memorandum for the President to assist Truman in preparing for the Potsdam Conference. This memorandum again highlights the misunderstanding of the situation on Kyushu at the strategic level. It claimed;[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"the nature of the objective area in Kyushu gives maneuver room for land and sea operations. For these and other reasons it is probable that the ground cost in ground force casualties for the first 30 days of the Kyushu operation will be on the order of that for Luzon. Naval casualties will probably be at about the same rate as for Okinawa."[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]With the casualty ratios of those battles applied to Operation Olympic, the estimate for U.S. casualties would have been 94,000 killed and 234,000 wounded. The total casualty estimate of 328,000 equates to 57 percent of the U.S. ground forces slated for Olympic. On the Satsuma Peninsula, the V Amphibious Corps casualty estimate would have been 13,000 killed and 34,000 wounded, or approximately 54 percent of the Marine force. This casualty estimate for VAC is made without any additional Japanese forces moving into the 40th Army's zone. Add to these estimates the results of kamikaze attacks against transports, and the battle for Kyushu would have been devastating to the American people[/font]

What about us putting INNOCENT Japanese American civilian in our own personal concentration camps. Is this not wrong?

, hmmmm how do you want to compare the two? Oh thats right you really can't.

First off they were Internment camps or Relocation centers. Although this in retrospect is not very cool, we felt at the time it was necessary to prevent spies etc, and to maintain national security. While there was schools, medicine, stores.....visits by Red Cross etc. I could go on and on about how it might have been uncomfortable but not an EXTERMINATION camp as you are trying to put it.

Let us just get some things out of the way.

We A. Have publicly apologized for this.
We B. Have paid restitutions.

Now lets look at the Japanese government and their WAR CRIMES! and POW camps....I don't know if you can possibly stomach them though so I won't go into detail. I will just point out a couple of things.

They A. NEVER apologized
They B. NEVER paid restitutions to the POW's AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS (captured or killed)
They C. Write it out of their history books.

Man read up before you jump onto something!

 

[yen]

I have done plenty of reading

Did I say they were extermination camps? No. However, various Japanese people were killed at these camps by soldiers. Were they mass murders, no, but there were some none-the-less. Some brief info for you:

These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards.

Tell me what those children did wrong?

There is plenty of information and websites however to disagree with your thoughts about the Japanese Air Force.

Also, do you honestly think that the US is perfectly clean in War Crimes? If so, please think again. We violate them just as much as anyone else. Neither side is completely innocent in anything.

Now, you so called classified documents. Do you honestly think the government, ANY government, would release papers saying "Well the country was pretty much defenseless, but we decided to bomb them anyways." Seriously...

They C. Write it out of their history books.

This I already knew. Please tell me what country doesn't do this. It just might not be as obvious. There are plenty of events in history that are falsely written in US school books. I certainly don't remember reading the truths about our drug wars and the Vietnam war.

 

[Force]

I have done plenty of reading .

Obviously not enough if you think Japan was defenseless.

Did I say they were extermination camps? No. However, various Japanese people were killed at these camps by soldiers. Were they mass murders, no, but there were some none-the-less. Some brief info for you:.

You were implying it.

Tell me what those children did wrong?.

Nothing, I have already stated that it sucked. But there are only so many times one can apologize and he was paid restitution.

But tell me

Were they made into slaves as our POW's and allied POW's were? .
Where they starved and beat?
Where their buddies killed for lagging behind?
Did they witness dead womens civilian bodies laying on the side of the road with poles sticking out of their private places?

Just wondering.

There is plenty of information and websites however to disagree with your thoughts about the Japanese Air Force. .

What Japanese propaganda websites? No thanks!

Also, do you honestly think that the US is perfectly clean in War Crimes? If so, please think again. We violate them just as much as anyone else. Neither side is completely innocent in anything. .

No and and once again I never stated this....the difference is very clear though.
We A. Follow the Geneva convention.
B. The people responsible are brought up on charges and punished....( more so than I can say for ANY Japanese officials in WWII)
C. Apologies and restitutions are made.
And D. We learn from our mistakes and change. Not revert backwards.

Now, you so called classified documents. Do you honestly think the government, ANY government, would release papers saying "Well the country was pretty much defenseless, but we decided to bomb them anyways." Seriously....

Give me a break.......yes the documents in question were released to the public. And the fact that you stated they were defenseless....see my first comment above. And by your reasoning "that governments don't always state the truth" do you honestly think that the Japanese would tell the truth.......starting a war unprovoked during peace talks. no they will lie about it.....

THEY STILL HAVENT APOLOGIZED, OR THINK ANYTHING THEY DID WAS WRONG!

This I already knew. Please tell me what country doesn't do this. It just might not be as obvious. There are plenty of events in history that are falsely written in US school books. I certainly don't remember reading the truths about our drug wars and the Vietnam war.

Ok just one simple statement on this you referred to it as the Vietnam "WAR" therfore everything else you say I can no longer take seriously from you. Especially as you say you "read up" on history.

For your information Vietnam was not a war it was a conflict. THUS THE VERY FACT FOR ALMOST ALL PROTESTS! And the horrible things done in Vietnam were by some bad apples unfortunately.....it was not the attitude of the U.S. in general.

And since you brought it up and only mentioned one......everyone really ought to know the Japanese Americans were NOT the only ones held in the internment camps....Italian and German Americans were as well (funny you dont hear about that as much) and by the way the Japanese Americans were the only ones paid restitutions.

 

[Force]

And by the way

It has been shown that the Emperor was already in the process of surrendering.

Please show me the proof on this other than conspiracy theories.

We provoked it. Again, people need to research into things instead of taking things as they appear.

Ok by what your reasoning (we will look at your hypothetical situation) By the standards that we provoked Pearl Harbor....then really they provoked the bombs. And we should have wiped out their entire country. Because we were at war they were at peace talks. We gave them warning both times! They gave us none. All they had to do is surrender and we would not ahve dropped them. They never gave us any options.

And also HOW? (since you say it was provoked) was Pearl Harbor provoked.

 

[yen]

Obviously not enough if you think Japan was defenseless.

I never said they were defenseless, they were however cripped. I said they were 'nearly' wiped out, I never said completely. You will also note I said they didn't encounter 'much' resistance on their way there. That means there was still some hostile areas. Please do not twist words around.

What Japanese propaganda websites? No thanks!

I always love these comments. I often receive the exact same thing from pro-Iraq war supporters. They think I only get my information from Iraq. Don't people realize there is more to this world that just US and the enemy?

A. Follow the Geneva convention.

Oh I am sorry, I didn't realize you were there to witness this. I mean surely you wouldn't be relying solely on the words of those who were there and lying to save themselves? We have already broken Geneva conventions with Iraq (as they have done as well). I don't doubt for one second that the US broke them with Japan as well.

Give me a break.......yes the documents in question were released to the public.

The question is, are they the true documents or not. I have still yet to even see these documents myself. Again, the government isn't going to give out original documents that would say anything about the bomb not being worth it. Yes, government documents have been released in the past showing crimes commited by the US, but you have to admit, an atomic bomb is something entierly different then some small military uprising to oust a leader backed by the CIA.

Ok just one simple statement on this you referred to it as the Vietnam "WAR" therfore everything else you say I can no longer take seriously from you.

I honestly think you are the one who can't be taken seriously. You seem to like to twist words around, and because someone says 'war' instead of 'conflict', suddenly they are untrustable! Give me a break. I think I should let you know you can no longer trust your government agencies either, I can find a few occurances of the phrase "Vietnam War" on their site. Oh dear...

 

[yen]

Might want to contact your CIA officials about this horrendous misuse of call the Vietname conflic a war. Do a simple text search on the pages to find the phrases "Vietnam War".

http://www.odci.gov/csi/books/vietnam/epis2.html
http://www.odci.gov/csi/studies/97unclass/vietnam.html
http://www.odci.gov/nic/pubs/conference_reports/weapons_mass_destruction.html

Plenty more where that came from. Nice try on the whole war/conflict thing. I think it is you who can no longer be taken seriously, you have gotten nitpicky and twist words. Not worth the argument anymore. See ya around

 

[Force]

Might want to contact your CIA officials about this horrendous misuse of call the Vietname conflic a war. Do a simple text search on the pages to find the phrases "Vietnam War".

http://www.odci.gov/csi/books/vietnam/epis2.html
http://www.odci.gov/csi/studies/97unclass/vietnam.html
http://www.odci.gov/nic/pubs/conference_reports/weapons_mass_destruction.html

Plenty more where that came from. Nice try on the whole war/conflict thing. I think it is you who can no longer be taken seriously, you have gotten nitpicky and twist words. Not worth the argument anymore. See ya around

NITPICKY?? I believe the word is semantics, and yes they are important to me. And they should be to you as well since you have wanted to be factual and you read up on your history so well. Or are you Bill Clinton in disguise? I don't care if the CIA is wrong this discussion is between you and I. And you are the one that is claiming to know history, so you should know that. I am not the one coming up with conspiracy theories about our government you are.

Do you wear an aluminum foil hat?

And by the way I don't trust our government any more than I trust you. But I still think that we have the best government around which should make you think about the other ones. Why don't you take some of those conspiracy theories and throw some towards them, or is it that you think that the U.S. government is the only one that lies. At least I and my family are not being drug out of our houses in the middle of the night never to be seen or heard from again.

So as much as you want to sit and complain about our government you still have the freedom to sit around and gripe. Cause I guarantee you, that you still cannot do that in Japan, and criticize thier government to this day.......AND especially in Iraq either.

But enjoy it now, because it will be coming to an end soon because of people like you.

 

[Force]

I never said they were defenseless, they were however cripped. I said they were 'nearly' wiped out, I never said completely. You will also note I said they didn't encounter 'much' resistance on their way there. That means there was still some hostile areas. Please do not twist words around.

Where do you get this from? Thats what I have been asking.

I always love these comments. I often receive the exact same thing from pro-Iraq war supporters. They think I only get my information from Iraq. Don't people realize there is more to this world that just US and the enemy?.

No theres Britain and Austraila too.

Oh I am sorry, I didn't realize you were there to witness this. I mean surely you wouldn't be relying solely on the words of those who were there and lying to save themselves? We have already broken Geneva conventions with Iraq (as they have done as well). I don't doubt for one second that the US broke them with Japan as well.

My mother worked with a German (while she was in Germany in the Army mind you) who was a POW in WWII and said that he LOVED the Americans. His statements were that they treated him very well. And that they fed him better than his own army. At that time the Germans were starving. So I don't need statistics to tell me when I DO have personal experience. I have talked to MANY of our own POW's as well.

But since you want to rant and rave about statistics ......How about this.
http://www.expows.com/
then click on WWII statistics on the left.

The question is, are they the true documents or not. I have still yet to even see these documents myself. Again, the government isn't going to give out original documents that would say anything about the bomb not being worth it. Yes, government documents have been released in the past showing crimes commited by the US, but you have to admit, an atomic bomb is something entierly different then some small military uprising to oust a leader backed by the CIA.

Go and look them up. You have obviously not done this. And I never stated they were documents about the bomb.. I was talking about documents released about POW camps and Kamakazi pilots.

I honestly think you are the one who can't be taken seriously. You seem to like to twist words around, and because someone says 'war' instead of 'conflict', suddenly they are untrustable! Give me a break. I think I should let you know you can no longer trust your government agencies either, I can find a few occurances of the phrase "Vietnam War" on their site. Oh dear...

What words do I twist around? Or is it that you can't keep your own opinions straitght. Your the one assuming things about me. I don't trust most of our own government agencies. Our own government served our POW's on a platter to Japan after WWII. They made it impossible for them to sue the Japanese government as they should be able to. They are making it impossible for them EVEN NOW in their fight!

Look why don't you go find out what real history is before its really gone, have you even talked to any WWII veterans, have you gone down to the VA offices and halls and hospitals?

 

[yen]

Cause I guarantee you, that you still cannot do that in Japan, and criticize thier government to this day

I just find it funny how much I hear this one as well. Again, there is more to the world than the US and it's enemies (past and present). There are other countries I could go to and voice my opinions freely. So many don't care to see that though.

Alright, about the whole war/conflict thing. You do know a war is simply defined as:

war ( P )(wôr)
n.

1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

Ok, so there we have it, war is essentially conflict. However, I think you are taking this issue out of proportion, and definitely have veered off what this main topic was even about. I was referring to an event in history, and you decide to get into a whole debate about a simple choice of words. I can find the term "Vietnam War" on a variety of government websites, from the Whitehouse site to the FBI site. This is seriously getting childish imo.

Also, both my grandmother and grandfather were in WWII, so I think I can say I have personal accounts as well as to what went on.

Do you wear an aluminum foil hat?

lol

Why don't you take some of those conspiracy theories

Oh ok, because I don't accept what I am told and what history books tell me as absolute truth, I am suddenly a conspiracy theorist. Excuse me for doing some research of my own and digging around.

is it that you think that the U.S. government is the only one that lies.

Please tell me where I said this. Plenty of governments lie. In fact, I am pretty sure all of them due. It's politics.

But enjoy it now, because it will be coming to an end soon because of people like you.

You blame someone who exercises their rights with destroying them? Makes no sense. Am I supposed to have rights I am not allowed to use? Apparently those aren't rights at all then.

I'm done here. It's obvious you are getting nitpicky and not even discussing the original issue. You have provided me with no evidence to support your theories, so I think it's time we should agree to close this. If not, you will be arguing alone. This has reached a childish point, and I will have nothing to do with it. Feel free to get in any last words that you need, I am sure they will be entertaining as always (if not childish).

Have a nice day.

 

[Force]

I just find it funny how much I hear this one as well. Again, there is more to the world than the US and it's enemies (past and present). There are other countries I could go to and voice my opinions freely. So many don't care to see that though.

LOL sure I believe it thats why I think your better suited in France.

Oh ok, because I don't accept what I am told and what history books tell me as absolute truth, I am suddenly a conspiracy theorist. Excuse me for doing some research of my own and digging around.

The problem is you have showed NO PROOF! Just opinion...You still wont answer any of my valid questions so evidently your quitting because your losing.

That's fine with me.

I'm done here. It's obvious you are getting nitpicky and not even discussing the original issue. You have provided me with no evidence to support your theories, so I think it's time we should agree to close this. If not, you will be arguing alone. This has reached a childish point, and I will have nothing to do with it. Have a nice day.

LOL I have done nothing but show you the truth you have been the one throwing around theories. Whatever.

Childish is that I am probably talking to one. My own 13 yr old cousin has more original ideas at least.

And just because your grandparents were in it doesnt mean youve really discussed it with them....Have you?

So you have a nice day and don't wear the aluminum foil hat too tight!

Big bad government agencies are after me....yeah not a conspiracy theorist ok.

 

[cenimo]

Here yen, deal with this:

The most decorated unit in the history of the US Army, to this day, is the 442nd Regimental Combat team. The 442nd was made up of Japanese- Hawaiin-Americans, many of whom had been or had family interred at the camps you are speaking of.

 

[TScott]

Our having the camps was a terrible tragic mistake. It is indefensible. Our government has since ackonwledged that and paid reporations. It also has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the bombing of Japan.

 

[yen]

The most decorated unit in the history of the US Army, to this day, is the 442nd Regimental Combat team. The 442nd was made up of Japanese- Hawaiin-Americans, many of whom had been or had family interred at the camps you are speaking of.

I fail to see what I am to deal with here? Doesn't change the fact that there were still camps and it shouldn't have happened.

It also has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the bombing of Japan.

I was simply replying to a small section of someone else's reply. Do I believe it had something directly to do with the bombing? No, not at all, but I don't agree it was right. Reparations or not, it should not have even happened. Sad part is that today this still goes on, just not to the same degree. Middle Eastern people who are innocent are getting arrested and thrown in jail. You can't deny this one, as it has happened to someone I know even just recently, and she is now in danger of losing everything. But hey, whatever it takes to make America feel safe eh? Innocent or not, arrest anyone who is the same race as America's current enemy.

Back to the main subject, I still find it hard to believe that the bomb 'needed' to be dropped. Japan was pretty much crippled when we did. I even watched a documentary on the people who made the bomb and what they had to say, and from listening to them, it only further convinces me.

 

[TScott]

I was simply replying to a small section of someone else's reply. Do I believe it had something directly to do with the bombing? No, not at all, but I don't agree it was right. Reparations or not, it should not have even happened. Sad part is that today this still goes on, just not to the same degree. Middle Eastern people who are innocent are getting arrested and thrown in jail. You can't deny this one, as it has happened to someone I know even just recently, and she is now in danger of losing everything. But hey, whatever it takes to make America feel safe eh? Innocent or not, arrest anyone who is the same race as America's current enemy.

Is english your first language? I was just wondering because no where in my post did I say that the internments were right. In fact I made it very clear that I felt otherwise. I also stated that our government has since admitted that it was wrong as well.