Myth About the Bible - Busted!

[CoreyD]

There is zero evidence of a Global Noah type of flood. Floods leave distinctive evidence of their passing, especially one that is suppose to have been of global extent. When it comes to floods of such size, absence of evidence says it all.

Many people say there is no evidence. Many people say there is evidence.
That leaves us with two allegation, claims, assertions, whatever you prefer.
One claim isn't better than the other, because one can say "There is zero evidence of a Global Noah type of flood."
The evidence presented does leave a trail, but similar to other evidence, it is rejected.
I suppose the same can be said for those who don't like to hear "There is zero evidence for evolution."

What are we going to do now?
Don't tell me be like children... "There is zero evidence." "There is." "No, there isn't."
That would not look very good on a forum where adults communicate, would it.

 

[CoreyD]

There is no evidence of a global flood. Even the flood described in the Bible is not unequivocally global.

Have you read the Bible?
Why do you say the flood described in the Bible is not unequivocally global?
Does the Bible not explicitly say the flood will wipe out all living things upon the face of the earth?
Do you think any part of the face of the earth is void of living things?

The best working assumption is that there wasn't one.

A lot of people love assumption, usually because there is no need for accuracy, and truth, but since science does not deal with these, I have come to understand the position of persons who hold the same view as you do.
I believe there is however, truth, which persons do have, even if it is rejected.

 

[BCP1928]

Have you read the Bible?
Why do you say the flood described in the Bible is not unequivocally global?
Does the Bible not explicitly say the flood will wipe out all living things upon the face of the earth?
Do you think any part of the face of the earth is void of living things?


A lot of people love assumption, usually because there is no need for accuracy, and truth, but since science does not deal with these, I have come to understand the position of persons who hold the same view as you do.
I believe there is however, truth, which persons do have, even if it is rejected.

The underlying Hebrew word eretz does not unequivocally mean the entire terrestrial globe.

 

[dlamberth]

Many people say there is no evidence. Many people say there is evidence.
That leaves us with two allegation, claims, assertions, whatever you prefer.
One claim isn't better than the other, because one can say "There is zero evidence of a Global Noah type of flood."
The evidence presented does leave a trail, but similar to other evidence, it is rejected.
I suppose the same can be said for those who don't like to hear "There is zero evidence for evolution."

What are we going to do now?
Don't tell me be like children... "There is zero evidence." "There is." "No, there isn't."
That would not look very good on a forum where adults communicate, would it.

It's not a claim. It's a fact of truth that the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood. Floods leave a particular type of geology behind them. And a flood of that size would leave clear unabashed evidence with no doubt for all to see. That kind of evidence simply does not exist.

 

[sjastro]

I was not speaking of sea level change being amplified.
Can you please explain what that has to do with the sea floor sinking.

You introduced weight into your post as if this contributed to sea level changes relative to mountains, it doesn't.
The sea floor, sea level and mountains are components of the lithosphere and if the lithosphere sinks into the asthenosphere due to weight it should be self evident each component will remain unchanged relative to each other.

 

[sjastro]

Is this an "absence of evidence" argument?
I am sure you have seen the evidence, which is all over the internet.
Perhaps you reject it, but that does not mean there is no evidence. Nor does the argument absence of evidence mean evidence of absence.

I'm all to familiar with the argument particularly when it is used to set up a logical fallacy by shifting the burden of proof.

The instance you mentioned 'over the internet' the warning bells of confirmation bias became loud and clear.
The internet is an all too convenient source for cherry picking to support one's biases.

Since the burden of proof in on you, l want you to find peer review papers which not only supply evidence of a global flood but also exceeded the height of Mt Everest where the evidence indicates it's current height has barely changed over the past 4500 years.
Opinion pieces with a Biblical bias is not evidence.

 

[CoreyD]

The underlying Hebrew word eretz does not unequivocally mean the entire terrestrial globe.

I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say... Why are you talking about a word?
What does a word have to do with statements explicitly saying,

• "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air" Genesis 6:7
• “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Genesis 6:13
• "I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die." Genesis 6:17
• "of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive." Genesis 6:19, 20
• "and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in" Genesis 7:14-16
• "the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered." Genesis 7:19
• " all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive." Genesis 7:21-23

How do you read?
According to what is actually written in the Bible, the flood was unequivocally, global.

 

[CoreyD]

I'm all to familiar with the argument particularly when it is used to set up a logical fallacy by shifting the burden of proof.

The instance you mentioned 'over the internet' the warning bells of confirmation bias became loud and clear.
The internet is an all too convenient source for cherry picking to support one's biases.

Since the burden of proof in on you, l want you to find peer review papers which not only supply evidence of a global flood but also exceeded the height of Mt Everest where the evidence indicates it's current height has barely changed over the past 4500 years.
Opinion pieces with a Biblical bias is not evidence.

No. You shifted the burden of proof from you having to demonstrate that 1) Mt. Everest's build rate was constant, slow, and gradual, and 2) it's impossible for the conditions mentioned to be different to what is assumed.
I am very familiar with this tactic.
I asked. You did not answer.

 

[CoreyD]

You introduced weight into your post as if this contributed to sea level changes relative to mountains, it doesn't.
The sea floor, sea level and mountains are components of the lithosphere and if the lithosphere sinks into the asthenosphere due to weight it should be self evident each component will remain unchanged relative to each other.

If the sea floor drops, due to pressure weighing on it, will the height of a mountain's measurement above sea level be the same, as previous?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a fact of truth that the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood. Floods leave a particular type of geology behind them.

You do know the earth is cursed, don't you?

 

[CoreyD]

It's not a claim. It's a fact of truth that the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood. Floods leave a particular type of geology behind them. And a flood of that size would leave clear unabashed evidence with no doubt for all to see. That kind of evidence simply does not exist.

Please provide the source material that says it's a fact of truth the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood.

Can you also find all the geology of the volcano eruptions over the past 6000 years. They leave geology behind, don't they?

 

[AV1611VET]

Please provide the source material that says it's a fact of truth the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood.

Can you also find all the geology of the volcano eruptions over the past 6000 years. They leave geology behind, don't they?

When it comes to God's miracles, such as the Flood, scientists are ...

 

[CoreyD]

When it comes to God's miracles, such as the Flood, scientists are ...

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I think you mean persons on internet forums.
Scientists do not question anything about God, and miracles. They stick to what they can investigate.
Persons on internet forums, on the other hand, are the ones asking for evidence of a man walking on water, and so forth.
Can a man leave footprints, or a trail, in water?

Even if they saw the geological evidence of a global flood, they would not recognize it as such.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you mean persons on internet forums.
Scientists do not question anything about God, and miracles. They stick to what they can investigate.

Would you agree that scientists create the templates that are used against the Bible?

 

[dlamberth]

Please provide the source material that says it's a fact of truth the Earth itself is showing us that there is zero evidence for a Global Noah type flood.

The source material is the earth itself as you will see below. The Earth can not lie

Can you also find all the geology of the volcano eruptions over the past 6000 years. They leave geology behind, don't they?

Volcano's are a great example as we can study their eruption history. The Lava flows of the Pacific Northwest for instance are well studied. There were more than 350 individual flows from about 17.7 million years ago to about 5.5 million years ago that erupted in eastern Oregon. One flow ran more than 300 miles to the Pacific Ocean. In another area it is 2 miles deep. Than we have the Yellowstone Hotspot that began in southern Oregon 16 million years ago and burned it's way to it's present location as the North American Plate moved westward over it.

And than in Central Oregon we have a mostly eroded mountain range that's left behind a lot of interesting geological evidence. What's left are volcano roots and a lot of colorful ash deposits and other geology. Buried in the ash are the John Day Fossil Beds which is well know for it's well preserved layers of fossil plants and animals that lived about 45 million years ago. As plate seduction moved westward, the present Cascade mountains began to form about 36 million years ago. During an active volcanic activity 5 million years ago more than 3000 vents erupted. It was about 1.6 million years ago that the major peaks begin to form. I've climbed most of them. Rainer was a bit out of my league.

About floods, we also have the Ice Age floods 10,000 years ago that flowed from Montana across northern Idaho, down the western side of Washington state and down the Columbia river. On it's way to the Pacific Ocean it filled up the Willamette Valley which stretches 100 miles down the west side of Oregon. I live in the Willamette Valley. The water in that flood was a good 200 feet over the roof of my house. It's my membership and field trips with the Ice Age Flood Institute where I learned about the geology of floods.

No where in all of this geology are there any signs of a global Noah flood. None...Zilch...Nothing. Period!

Here's a link on the Columbia River Basalt Group for your reading. Columbia River Basalt Group Stretches from Oregon to Idaho | U.S. Geological Survey

And here's a link to the Ice Age Floods Institute
Ice Age Floods Institute

Here's a Wiki link to the John Day Fossil Bed National Monument.
John Day Fossil Beds National Monument - Wikipedia

 

[dlamberth]

Even if they saw the geological evidence of a global flood, they would not recognize it as such.

Yes they would recognize it if the evidence existed. The geology of floods are well understood.
In the early days of geology there was a concerted effort to find such evidence. They came up empty handed and had to acknowledged that no such flood existed.

 

[BCP1928]

Would you agree that scientists create the templates that are used against the Bible?

What would a template look like that would be used against the Bible? Why would scientists want to use such a thing?

 

[dlamberth]

Would you agree that scientists create the templates that are used against the Bible?

The knowledge that scientist open up is about what the Earth presents to them. Many scientist, as your aware, are Christians who because of their faith are not against the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

What would a template look like that would be used against the Bible?

The scientific method.

Why would scientists want to use such a thing?

I would get moderated if I answered that.

 

[AV1611VET]

The knowledge that scientist open up is about what the Earth presents to them.

Such as back when the earth presented to us that the whole universe orbited her?

Many scientist, as your aware, are Christians who because of their faith are not against the Bible.

But are they called into the laboratory or field, in the same way that God calls His children into the pulpit or mission field?