Mystery Babylon

[robycop3]

The Babylonian Empire was “the first true metropolis in western history, a business as well as an administrative center”[1] -- the prototype of governments as we see them to this day. The Babylonians controlled trade and commerce across western Asia, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf, building highways, legislating business, and beautifying the capital.[2]
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[1] John B. Christopher and Robert Lee Wolf, A History of Civilization, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1967, p. 35
[2] Will Durant, Story of Civilization: Part II, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 223-224​

The Metropolis model started in the city of Babylon; then the city of ~Alexandria; then the city of ~Athens; then the city of ~Rome; then the city of ~Paris; then the city of ~London; and presently resides in New York City, and shall soon be relocated to the city of Jerusalem under the flag of the United Nations.



DaDad

Scripture does not mention a "metropolis". And that word plainly existed in Greek, then.

 

[Kaon]

Rev 18:4 --Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues"

Many have tried to interpret the verses of revelation to come to a clear understanding of what entity "The Mother of Harlots" refers to. Some say the events have already occurred and this character has come and gone, others that they are happening now and "she" exists today, while still others say these are not those times and Mystery Babylon has yet to be born. The first group most often claim that ancient Rome was "she" of which the verses speak, the second group seem to think it refers to the Catholic church, with the pope being the Antichrist, and the last group seem to be in denial about any danger of destruction overtaking them whatsoever.

The ideas of the first and second(in part) group may be dismissed because neither ancient Rome nor the Catholic church were destroyed in a day, in fact, though they both have been diminished in stature to shadows of their former selves, they both continue to exist in their contemporary forms. The idea of the last group may more or less be dismissed, so long as one believes and trusts the written word of God to be truthful, because the signs of the times, as described by the Christ, are readily apparent (nations rising against nations, earthquakes everywhere, plagues, famines, wars and rumors of wars, the gospel having circled the globe). It follows that Mystery Babylon is more than likely extant in some way, shape, or form, but is neither Rome nor the Catholic church.

The most effective way we may investigate the identity of this character is by taking the descriptive details given in the book of revelation, and listing them in a way that removes confusion about the context that they are couched in. The following is an example of such a list:

The Traits of Mystery Babylon as described in Rev chapters 17 and 18
She is:

• of the wealthiest of nations 18:17
  
• an economic, political, and military superpower 17:18, 18:3
  
• a "she", and has a feminine name 17:6
• is filled with people of every nation, culture, and language of the world 17:15
• dressed in fine linen (white), purple (deep blue), and scarlet (red) 18:16
• a "city", which indicates an urbanized nation
• full of luxury and iniquities (sensuality, lust, greed, corruption, etc) 18:7
• both hated and envied for what she possesses and has done 17:2,18:4
• become mother to harlotry (physical and spiritual promiscuity, with every manner of idol worshiped in her people's hearts and minds, such as youth, beauty, comfort, wealth, luxury, politics, etc.) 18:5
• become a home to every manner of foul and loathsome spirit (pornographers, fornicators, false prophets, mass shooters, money grabbers, worshipers of the self, etc) 18:2
• going to be destroyed in a single day by fire, for being ungodly while exalting herself as godly, when something resembling a mountain gets thrown into the sea (meteorite or super volcanic eruption?) 8:8, 18:8, 19, 21

"Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues"

This is America.

 

[Kaon]

"Mystery, Babylon" is a religion started by Nimrod & Semiramis, with many of its features being later adopted by the RCC, such as belief in purgatory, Mariolatry(with their placing Mary in place of Semiramis as "queena hevvin"), offices of pope & cardinals, indulgences, prayers to the dead, on & on.

Clearly, the harlot of Rev. 17 is Rome, especially the RCC, as its seat is in Rome.

Yes Harlot - bible code for an evil church, specifically.

Virgin = good Church.

I will say the Harlot is RCC, but I would say the US is the beast it rides.

 

[DaDad]

Scripture does not mention a "metropolis". And that word plainly existed in Greek, then.

... and Scripture does not specifically use the terms: U.K., U.S., Russia, China, the U.N., helicopters, tanks, nuclear weapons, or global thermonuclear war, -- but they're all cited in Scripture, as is World War I, World War II, Hitler, Cold War, North Korea, South Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nixon, Ford, SALT Agreements, Helsinki Accord, Nicaragua, - Lybia and Iraq are mentioned but not in context with modern events -, France, Germany, Japan, Brazil, Nigeria, and India.

There, I think I covered a few of the events and participants cited in Scripture, but not with their specific names. -- Would you like some more?



And also, sometimes GOD disguises HIS Word with euphemisms such as "Mystery Babylon", so that the Sadducees and Pharisees wouldn't grasp what was being said, but the GOD fearing peasant would.

DaDad

 

[DaDad]

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I will say the Harlot is RCC, but I would say the US is the beast it rides.

Please let me know when Scripture says either of the above, -- because it doesn't. It's only in your imagination, kinda like when Obama would make his outlandish assertions when president.


DaDad

 

[Kaon]

Please let me know when Scripture says either of the above, -- because it doesn't. It's only in your imagination, kinda like when Obama would make his outlandish assertions when president.


DaDad

No. It would be a waste.

Cheers.

 

[DaDad]

No. It would be a waste.
Cheers.

Me thinks you used "waste" when you should have said "impossible", because you can't defend a false doctrine.

The truth is, people take a passage COMPLETELY out of context, imagine things which are not pertinent, and then declare a FACT.

Yeah, not ...
DaDad

 

[Kaon]

Me thinks you used "waste" when you should have said "impossible", because you can't defend a false doctrine.

The truth is, people take a passage COMPLETELY out of context, imagine things which are not pertinent, and then declare a FACT.

Yeah, not ...
DaDad

I know that is what you think, which is why I said "No" to your request, and that it would be a waste.

I meant everything I said.

 

[mark kennedy]

There was a theory that New York was Babylon, I didn't buy it but an interesting thought.

 

[Kaon]

There was a theory that New York was Babylon, I didn't buy it but an interesting thought.

It fits the description very well - and actually represents the true spirit of Babylon. But, I don't think that is what John meant either. Usually a beast is an entire nation, and Babylon was a land that was known for it knowledge so much so that it was primed to breach the first heaven. Only one nation has claimed to penetrate into the heavens with men - as opposed to low or high orbit.

 

[DaDad]

There was a theory that New York was Babylon, I didn't buy it but an interesting thought.

Funny -- that's about as close to the TRUTH as you can be without stepping on it. NYC is currently the world's pinnacle of "Metropolis" (i.e., "Mystery Babylon"). Even the creators of Superman perceived the city where Clark Kent worked as Metropolis ( - N e w - Y o r k - C i t y - ). But the church is deaf, dumb, and blind, so they won't figure out any of this without the hindsight of having the U.N. moved to Jerusalem, -- and even then I doubt that any significant percentage of "christians" (small "c") will get it.


DaDad

 

[robycop3]

... and Scripture does not specifically use the terms: U.K., U.S., Russia, China, the U.N., helicopters, tanks, nuclear weapons, or global thermonuclear war, -- but they're all cited in Scripture, as is World War I, World War II, Hitler, Cold War, North Korea, South Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Nixon, Ford, SALT Agreements, Helsinki Accord, Nicaragua, - Lybia and Iraq are mentioned but not in context with modern events -, France, Germany, Japan, Brazil, Nigeria, and India.

There, I think I covered a few of the events and participants cited in Scripture, but not with their specific names. -- Would you like some more?



And also, sometimes GOD disguises HIS Word with euphemisms such as "Mystery Babylon", so that the Sadducees and Pharisees wouldn't grasp what was being said, but the GOD fearing peasant would.

DaDad

Well, ACTUALLY, only Russia (Magog, etc.) & possibly, choppers(the locusts of Revelation) are mentioned, as are nations that existed then, & still exist today. (Libya, Ethiopia, Persia, Arabia, Egypt, etc.)

 

[robycop3]

The beast of rev. 17 will be the empire of the antichrist, & plainly, the harlot riding it will be ROME. Rome is "the city of 7 hills", & was the ruling city of John's world when the Rev was given. And, of course, now, the Vatican is at its heart.

 

[ewq1938]

• dressed in fine linen (white), purple (deep blue), and scarlet (red) 18:16

Changing purple to "deep blue" is a significant error and is a clear use of Eisegesis.

 

[robycop3]

The Babylonian Empire was “the first true metropolis in western history, a business as well as an administrative center”[1] -- the prototype of governments as we see them to this day. The Babylonians controlled trade and commerce across western Asia, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf, building highways, legislating business, and beautifying the capital.[2]
______________________________________________________________
[1] John B. Christopher and Robert Lee Wolf, A History of Civilization, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1967, p. 35
[2] Will Durant, Story of Civilization: Part II, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 223-224​

The Metropolis model started in the city of Babylon; then the city of ~Alexandria; then the city of ~Athens; then the city of ~Rome; then the city of ~Paris; then the city of ~London; and presently resides in New York City, and shall soon be relocated to the city of Jerusalem under the flag of the United Nations.



DaDad

This is goofy stuff, not found in Scripture at all.