Mystery Babylon

[CherubRam]

Quoting Mr. Larkin: “When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the “Babylonian Order,” thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor become head of the “Babylonian Priesthood” and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152).”

 

[CherubRam]

Later today I will post more of this story at my own forum. I do not think they would care to have the whole story here at this forum. http://www.christianforums.com/users/321365/

 

[CherubRam]

Revelation 17:5
The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

Revelation 17:7
Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.

 

[CherubRam]

Revelation 2:13
I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

Pergamum: The Seat of Satan - Gordon Robertson - The 700 Club | CBN.com

 

[timewerx]

does this thread has something to do with your other thread of Christians churches tolerating practice of pagan or "ex-pagan" traditions like xmas and easter?

The Babylon Empire ruled by Nimrod after the great flood is actually the birthplace of the many "eastern paganism" which eventually found itself in Rome, and finally, among the Jews.

These pagan practices are deeply rooted in the ancient occult of the highest order. They are actually just the surface of an underlying evil machinery to deceive quite a lot of people throughout the existence of humanity.

It is designed to look as innocent and harmless as possible on the surface but it's all trickery underneath.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Quoting Mr. Larkin: “When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the “Babylonian Order,” thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor become head of the “Babylonian Priesthood” and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152).”

what source is this from? name of book...

 

[2ducklow]

Mystery Babylon is all the occultic stuff. It's gonna get lots bigger in the last days. It got very big in Germany prior to the Nazi takeover, and Nazis were big on the occult. Nazis are like the precursor to mystery Babylon. Seeing it another way it was a failed attempt by Satan to instigate mystery Babylon. But be assured Satan is still at it trying to bring in mystery Babylon. New age stuff is just the beginning.

 

[timewerx]

Mystery Babylon is all the occultic stuff. It's gonna get lots bigger in the last days. It got very big in Germany prior to the Nazi takeover, and Nazis were big on the occult. Nazis are like the precursor to mystery Babylon. Seeing it another way it was a failed attempt by Satan to instigate mystery Babylon. But be assured Satan is still at it trying to bring in mystery Babylon. New age stuff is just the beginning.

Actually, the Nazi is divided within itself.

Some are pro Hitler but most are actually collaborators with the Allies (USA, Britain and the Jews)

That is why many from within the ranks of Nazi tried to assassinate Hitler. Ironically, the collaborators with the allies are the ones who practiced occult. Hitler himself remained a Christian throughout the war, an unorthodox sect first called "Deutsch Christensen" and later termed "Positive Christianity."

The WW2 itself was staged. Due to the overwhelming presence of collaborators on both sides of the game. Only Hitler was the odd man out.

The excessive war reparations of Germany to the money-hungry Jews until today, too much inconsistencies in facts to what is popularly known as "history", I smell a big, rotten fish.

 

[interpreter]

Mystery Babylon the great harlot is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas)

 

[2ducklow]

Actually, the Nazi is divided within itself.

Some are pro Hitler but most are actually collaborators with the Allies (USA, Britain and the Jews)

That is why many from within the ranks of Nazi tried to assassinate Hitler. Ironically, the collaborators with the allies are the ones who practiced occult. Hitler himself remained a Christian throughout the war, an unorthodox sect first called "Deutsch Christensen" and later termed "Positive Christianity."

The WW2 itself was staged. Due to the overwhelming presence of collaborators on both sides of the game. Only Hitler was the odd man out.

The excessive war reparations of Germany to the money-hungry Jews until today, too much inconsistencies in facts to what is popularly known as "history", I smell a big, rotten fish.

The German Workers Party was only one of many associations founded and controlled by the Thule Society. The Thule was the "mother" to the German Socialist Party, led by Julius Streicher, and the right-wing radical Oberland Free Corps. It published the Munich observer, which later became the National Observer. Hitler became the most prominent personality in the party. He caused Harrer to drop out, and he pushed Drexler, the nominal chairman, to the sidelines. He filled key positions with his own friends from the Thule Society and the Army. During the summer of 1920, upon his suggestion, the party was renamed the National Socialist German Worker Party (NASDAP). The new name was intended to equally attract nationalists and proletarians

Hitler wanted to turn the German Workers Party into a mass-conscious fighting party, but Harrer and Drexler were hesitant, due in part to their woeful financial situation. The Thule Society was not yet supplying very much money and no one seemed to know how to build up a mass party. Hitler arranged two public meetings in obscure beer halls, and he drafted leaflets and posters, but there was no real breakthrough.

All of this changed dramatically at the end of the 1919 when Hitler met Dietrich Eckart. Most biographers have underestimated the influence that Eckart exerted on Hitler. He was the wealthy publisher and editor-in-chief of an anti-semitic journal which he called In Plain German. Eckart was also a committed occultist and a master of magic. As an initiate, Eckart belonged to the inner circle of the Thule Society as well as other esoteric orders.


One should not underestimate occultism's influence on Hitler. His subsequent rejection of Free Masons and esoteric movements, of Theosophy, of Anthrosophy, does not necessarily mean otherwise. Occult circles have long been known as covers for espionage and influence peddling. Hitler's spy apparatus under Canaris and Heydrich were well aware of these conduits, particularly from the direction of Britain which had within its MI5 intelligence agency a department known as the Occult Bureau. That these potential sources of trouble were purged from Nazi life should not be taken to mean that Hitler and the Nazi secret societies were not influenced by mystical and occult writers such as Madame Blavatsky, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels, Rudolf Steiner, George Gurdjieff, Karl Haushofer and Theodor Fritsch. Although Hitler later denounced and ridiculed many of them, he did dedicate his book Mein Kampf to his teacher Dietrich Eckart.
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The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult

So one can draw differing conclusions from the facts. If there is anything in past history that could be viewed as an almost successful attempt by Satan to rule the world, in my estimation it would have to be the Nazi's of ww2. If hitler hadn't of been such a military dummy (thank God he was), the Germans probably would have won ww2.

 

[CherubRam]

what source is this from? name of book...

Clarence Larkin (1850–1924) was an American Baptist pastor, Bible teacher and author.

"The Book of Revelation" by Clarence Larkin. Copyright 1919.


http://www.swordsearcher.com/christian-authors/clarence-larkin.html


http://www.davidcox.com.mx/library/L/Larkin, Clarence - Book of Revelation.pdf


https://archive.org/details/bookofrevelation00lark

 

[1213]

Mystery Babylon the great harlot is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas)

It could be also New York, if it is not Rome.

 

[CherubRam]

Why do the popes use the Pagan high priest title Pontifex Maximus? Why do the popes use a title that comes from the Babylonian Mystery cult?

https://www.google.com/search?q=pon...C83joATNn4I4&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=673

https://www.google.com/search?q=pon...1024&bih=673#q=pontifex+maximus+coin&tbm=isch

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by interpreter

Mystery Babylon the great harlot is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas)
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It could be also New York, if it is not Rome.

Why can't it be Jerusalem? Just asking



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[1213]

Why can't it be Jerusalem? Just asking



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I don’t see Jerusalem acting as the mystery Babylon.

 

[RevelationTestament]

Why can't it be Jerusalem? Just asking.

Jerusalem did not come to rule over the kings of the world. Rome did through the papacy.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's all rather mysterious and confusing...Babylonish if you will.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jerusalem did not come to rule over the kings of the world.
Rome did through the papacy.

So you are under the view that Babylon is symbolizing Rome in 1 Peter 5, though there is very little evidence Peter was ever in Rome

1Pe 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

Being a Preterist, I [and a lot of others] view both the Olivet Discourse and Revelation as the destruction of OC Jerusalem in ad 70, and so would the Jews of today if they believed in Jesus and the NT.

The dating of the vision and writing of Revelation is also an important aspect to this fulfillment.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bab.....1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..5.2.125.jfY2CunFA0I
babylon is jerusalem in bible AD70

I believe we can agree with the Preterist on the identification of Babylon with Jerusalem, however, we must categorically reject their claims that the prophecies were fulfilled in AD 70.
This chapter will demonstrate that there is no credible historical evidence to show that the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 fulfilled Bible prophecy the way the Preterist claim.

Another key tenet of Preterism is dating the Book of Revelation to before AD 70. The strongest defense for the pre-AD 70 date in recent years has been by Kenneth Gentry, Jr. entitled Before Jerusalem Fell, Dating the Book of Revelation (1998, Revised Edition). This book is a reworking of his doctoral dissertation from Whitefield Theological Seminary in Lakeland, Florida.

The Preterist view has been defined as that view which “holds that the book of Revelation was mostly fulfilled in the first century with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Thus, most of the aspects (such as the Beast, the Great Tribulation, the fall of Babylon, and Armageddon) have already occurred” (Balyeat 1991:226). Within the Preterist camp, there are two positions, the Full Preterist position and the Partial Preterist position. R. C. Sproul, a Partial Preterist, calls the Full Preterist position “radical preterism” because “all future prophecies in the NT have already been fulfilled” (1998:24). Chilton would call them “consistent preterists” (1987:264). Sproul would call himself a “moderate preterist” because “many future prophecies in the NT have already been fulfilled. Some crucial prophecies have not yet been fulfilled” (1998:24).

R. C. Sproul, Kenneth Gentry, Gary De Mar, and others champion the partial preterist position.
John Noe, Edward Stevens, David Chilton right before his death, espouses the Full Preterist view.
When I talked with Stevens and Noe at the ETS meeting, they said that Sproul and DeMar are heading toward the Full Preterist position, but Gentry is not.
The Full Preterist position is making inroads into the theological world and the Pre-Tribulation position is beginning to respond to the position.


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[RevelationTestament]

Why do the popes use the Pagan high priest title Pontifex Maximus? Why do the popes use a title that comes from the Babylonian Mystery cult?

While I agree with you that the RCC is the woman on the beast and meets all the criterion of the prophecy, I am somewhat leery of Alexander Hislop's interpretations, and do not feel that all his assertions are adequately documented. I am not very familiar with Clarence Larkin, but I have to say I have not found other independent sources to directly support the assertion that the tradition of the "pontifex maximus" or the college of the pontiffs comes out of Babylon.

Wikipedia says: "Another hypothesis[392] considers the word as a loan from Sabine, language in which it would mean member of a college of five people, from Osco-Umbrian ponte, five. This explanation takes into account the fact that the college was established by Sabine king Numa Pompilius and the institution is Italic: the expressions pontis and pomperias found in the Iguvine Tablets may denote a group or division of five or by five. The pontifex would thence be a member of a sacrificial college known as pomperia (Latin quinio)"
also "According to the Augustan-era historian Livy, Numa Pompilius, a Sabine, devised Rome's system of religious rites, including the manner and timing of sacrifices, the supervision of religious funds, authority over all public and private religious institutions, instruction of the populace in the celestial and funerary rites including appeasing the dead, and expiation of prodigies."

The Etruscan word for priest is etymologically unrelated despite its similar sound. So it appears Larkin was probably incorrect, but was just espousing one of the lesser likely theories. A study of the Babylonian religion yields nothing very related to the Roman religion. So while certain general pagan ideas and practices such as sacrifice may have been copied, it appears that the college of pontiffs probably arose out of the beliefs of the Sabines or Latins.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by CherubRam

Why do the popes use the Pagan high priest title Pontifex Maximus? Why do the popes use a title that comes from the Babylonian Mystery cult?
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While I agree with you that the RCC is the woman on the beast and meets all the criterion of the prophecy, I am somewhat leery of Alexander Hislop's interpretations, and do not feel that all his assertions are adequately documented..

There is an alternative view.
The woman could be OC Jerusalem and Rome is the beast?

I can elaborate on that if ya like.



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