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My view on "Aspergers Syndrome"

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Hello everyone,

What I'm about to write in this thread is not for the diagnosis, but for re-assurance as it to confirm its exact details beyond reasonable doubt, I would hate to have this end up where I get "warned" or this thread gets deleted or closed just because I have a personal opinion I'd like to share with you all.

Lets clarify on where my background roots have with Christianity: first off, I sincerely disprove some Christians who insist on "seeking the Lord's help" for a diagnosis that may be misconstrued, second, being that I am not yet Christian, I find its more appropriate to lean towards being a Christian in the real world, this means having a balance between believing everything your shrink says to excluding logical reasoning and by replacing it with religious dogma.

No, I'm not a "Satanist", I am someone who holds to their own free mind of situations such as these and I tend to observe them, what does this have to do with Aspergers Syndrome you ask? Keep reading.

I believe in modern benefits, but I do not believe that modern day science and spiritual topics are one in the same, from what I've been noticing, I see the same exact behavior being repeated from a majority of Christians primarily in this section of the boards, they often find "seeking help" or "connecting with others who share the same train of thought and coping skills", if you really want my honest opinion, I will tell you that it is beyond a doubt that it is nothing more than exploitation of whomever has been diagnosed and you are doing only furthermore to supress it. I don't doubt what doctors have to say and pass it off as here se, but doctors and scientists are not always accurate even in their profession, just as a priest is not perfect and is still open to sinful acts.

Remember that each and every human is different, why must it be classified as something when it's clearly just human nature? You may "think using pictures" so what! Oh boy! You must be autistic! Good at math too huh? AUTISM!

Yes, I was diagnosed in early childhood with this very same thing, I came to realize throughout self evaluation and being honest with myself (as well as elevating my standards of potential) that I'm not autistic to even begin with, you could look at it from these aspects:

If a person hears voices and starts hallucinating, does that make them a schizophrenic?

Or is it possible that person has spiritual afflictions? What about a little something called (a fundamental factor that continues to decline even amongst church goers) demons? Doesn't the New Testament teach of demons and their abilties to pull the strings through others? None of you in this forum can point out to me that somewhere or another these "behaviors" listed in the stories of Legion and etc. where not at all alike to what modern day doctors call "schizophrenia", at the same time, you cannot say demons are metaphorically used and were referred to as in physical illnesses, because in the bible, it makes it very clear they are sentient living beings who carry out dark acts upon mankind.

The same can be said with Aspergers Syndrome, it is as simple as that, another example for you Christians out there is the assumption by many skeptics that the parrerells between Mithras and Jesus conclude that Jesus was a mythical figure based on other earlier mythical figures, yet if you do the research, not only are there more differences than similarities, Mithraic religions show signs of what are considered "demonic" (and even the sign of the anti-Christ!)

Today we have put our focus into a very small crease, and we have become very narrow minded in such a way it leads to madness, insanity, and following things without questioning for logical reasoning like a flock of blind sheep (take a good look at the equation, if we were not meant to question, why we were we given intellect to do so?)

My diagnosis was finally agreed upon with my family, that I do not and have never had autism, even though I may have showed signs of it, does not conclude a full confirmation, just as there are similarites between Mithras and Christ, there were more differences between my situation and the symptons of Aspergers Syndrome.

Here are some of the things that are commongly listed with autistic folk (allot of which doesn't even occur within my mental state.)

1) Caculating numbers and equations and solving coded like patterns - I'm going to be honest with you, I suck at caculating numbers in my head, and it would take me years for me to crack any sort of code unless I had an instructional manual.

2) Fantasy world aside from reality (fictional concepts based on imagination which are turned into states of perceived reality) - the only time this crap was goin on in my life was when I was nine years old or so, so what's your point?

3) Obsessive tendencies - hey, everyone is obsessive here and then, and it can range in many different ways, I can for the mostpart tell you all I was able to self refelct and in no time I had developed a multiple track mind, I'm sure there are many more of you that can too, all it takes is perserverance and having street smarts, which in time, everyone is expected to develop sooner or later.

4) Hyperactivity - for me being hyper were just repeated phases that I had difficulty evolving out of, however, the reason this was an obstacle was because my stepmother had often treated me like a little child and never had any expectations, nor did she expect me to function to any expectations, with a little liberation, (I'm now living with my sister and brother in law) I was able to break through the hopelessness of confined rumors which turned out to be nothing more than just someone who never took your time seriously (she's Catholic, go figure) and treated you like you were a retarded two year old (isn't life just a trip?), to add to this, allot of these "tendecies" and whatnot were developed by two factors 1) my parents treated me like a child, 2) I acted out of rebellion (I even urinated in the back yard leaving a big patch of dead grass for my stepmother to ponder on, mmmmm!)

5) Difficulty making friends and social interactions - enviroments can map out allot for a person, and can cause them to act in strange and bizzare ways because they're surrounding influences never gave them the assurance or the space to mature out of these characteristics, I am rather upset that my parents would rather spend time on how to treat me like I was handicapped instead of trying to understand my values and actually take them seriously, have it known, I have never had complete trouble "making friends" and in most cases I have random people get acquainted with me at the start, there's no reason to assume that I was naturally incapabale of being social or interacting with others in an innapproriate way.

Anyways thought I'd share this with you all, I hope for other people's sake that you don't do what my stepmother did and give others a chance instead of patting them on the head like toddlers and just expecting them to act a certain way upon their diagnosis, it's rather cruel and insensitive, and it ruins a person's potential to succeed beyond difficulties they may be facing, everyone has different ways of "comprehending" and thinking, and a diagnosis should not be the explanation for some because it isn't, above all, make a dinstinction between others, and compare them with your own behaviors, your loved ones, and etc. etc.

Glad to have been of service.
 
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Of course Aspergers has variability, and so most people with AS don't tick *every* box, but a sufficient number to make the diagnosis. Does this mean that people who check less boxes but still enough aren't AS but are simply slipping into the diagnosis because of the threshold - in my opinion no, rather they are on the spectrum but further to the point of "normality (0 boxes is what I would call that inadequate word). Remember AS is part of the autistic spectrum, and it goes from the strongest autism all the way back to 99.999% "normal". I'm sure there are plenty of people with extremely "weak" effects of this spectrum are walking around undiagnosed, or like yourself - rejecting the title because it seems too "crippling" in it's implication compared to the real world effects in your life.

Being labled AS to me however has meant a customised, unique journey of personal understanding - it's encouraged me to become more self-aware, stronger in mind and ultimately appreciative of why God plonked me on this Earth.

Cheers

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Thank you drifter5. Asperbers is very difficult to diagnose and cope with. I am praying for those who feel they have been mis diagnosed or are waiting for an answer as well as those who are trying to come to terms with and live with this condition. God bless you all x x x
 
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Jenniwren- God bless you, too, dear. It must be so difficult for you both. I was just wondering do you think that your son could have Hyperactivity, as well as A.S , please ? It is a shame that the teacher is not more understanding. Is it possible to have a chat with her and mention your concerns, perhaps ?
 
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The majority of my teachers didn't like me, and I had some of the aforementioned problems. I treasured the few teachers that tolerated, understood me and gave a damn about my learning.

If the teacher cannot be enlightened it might be best to change classes/schools/planets
 
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She knows the problems, but is not understanding. I am not sure if he is hyperactive. He is very emotional and exitable but can also read for long periods of time, sit and play computer games/x box etc. In fact his ability at these games is amazing.
Out of interest, i read somewhere that there are several different types of hyperactivity. Also, that hyperactivity can sometimes effect girls differently to boys.
 
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Boltwave,

I really appreciate your view and your ability to obrder on without putting others who feel their diagnosis is correct and needed down.

I came from the opposite end of a similar situation... I grew up without a diagnosis... and due to this and not being treated with compassion due to a lack of understanding both on my part and on others parts it was a real freedom to finally have a label for something that I had spent 34 years blaming myself for...because that is what others taught me to do through their unaware but inappropriate actions with me. And of course my super sensitivities simply intensified it all. SO for me the diagnosis was my blessing... not the AS itself. Now I am in intense therapy for trauma work... which my not understanding and getting help with my invisible symptoms led me unknowingly into an 8 year long abusive situation. In this therapy work... not only is my AS difficulties coming to a head... I am opening others eyes to new possibilities of seeing things in a different light as well as finally seeing myself in a different light... which may lead to my diagnosis being not a disorder but simply an explaination of where I come from... there is so much overlap with PTSD and Dissociative disorders and Autism/AS traits.

It is the people that think we need to act a specific way in a certain situations instead of listening to the behavior to work at understanding (and having compassion without accepting inappropriate behavior) that create this phenomena of Autism to be a disorder.
If you convince me of the usefulness not only to others but also to me and to God that changing my behavior is a good thing then I am all for working through it. Otherwise... look out... I can be as stubborn as the best of them. LOL

No matter what walk of life or the universe you come from...it is balance that we are all seeking... balance within ourselves... with God... and with others. That is what true spirituality is about. I see you working towards that and I appreciate your different view becuase of it.

I get tired myself of those searching for "cures" and quick fixes instead of searching for what God is working at teaching us through each and every trial that comes our way...

but I need to learn compassion for those types of people as well... that is simply where God has them too...because He is working on them in a language they understand, regardless of my understanding of them or not.

Tad
 
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In fact the list of problems can go on forever. He does not make friends easily. The biggest problem seems to be the fact his teacher doesn't like him.

That is a problem you can not control... and that is where you need to listen to your inner wisdom God has given you... I can see that you want to do what is best for your son and sometimes that means going against a wall we simply don't want to go to. I have been working on learning to put a multitude of glasses on to open myself to all my options... to get to the underlying issues and take the steps toward doing what is best for me... when children are involved they are simply doing just that...he is doing what he can figure out what is best for him... he has a problem inside that he can not seem to find any other solution for than to act out. And all involved need to learn to listen with new ears... whether he has AS or not... he is simply talking the only way he knows how.

If the teacher won't listen and you are hearing him... might I invite you to seek out new options to your dilema... whether it be...confront the teacher with a humble heart... or find another more appropriate teacher/school... or home school or whatever... there is a best solution... sometimes we simply need to keep experiencing one thing after another to find what works.

I have AS and have an extreme difficult connecting to others... but empathy I do not lack. And the ones I connect with quicker than anyone is animals followed closely by children...then tend to speak my language... the language of acceptance... I am learning that my behaviors are not always acceptable in certain situations... but that doesn't mean I am not acceptable... I have to learn to accept myself not only for what I have done in the past...but also for being me... but I also have the power to change my behaviors... but I am 36 years old and am just now learning that because some people are taking the time to reach me on a language closer to mine... and if you would like to hear my opinion... that is what your son truely needs... he will learn the rigid knowledge of scholastics as long as he is in an environment that tells him he is okay... otherwise you will continue to battle with him. And once in that environment is when his social learning will be more apt to sink in. Slow it may be to you... but it will definitely be learned deeper and with life long lasting... but if he continues with a teacher who "hates" him (I would probably be enticed to think that he/she simply doesn't have the understanding or compassion to be in any sort of relationship with him rather than "hates" him...her abreaction to him is really about something of her own issues not your son...but your son can not understand that at his age)..but the trauma that comes with that misunderstanding can also be lifelong and much more difficult to overcome than AS ever is.

I hope this gives you some different insight to your dilema. Just writing it out has given me new insight to my recovery process myself.

Tad
 
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