My veiw on creationism

[Toztabud]

Faith in a testable, observable and verifiable God! What else does it need?

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

But who was in the "Pew Research Center" poll? Was it fair, or did each group only have one representitive? Did they measure each science field by according to its relative size?

So everybody except AiG are guilty untill proven innocent?
Can't you see you are being misled by a small group of conspiracy theorists why are claiming everybody else is misled? They are only abusing your faith throwing up a false dichotomy of "God VS Evolution" While that is blatently untrue.

Faith in a testable, observable and verifiable God! What else does it need?

I'm sure god did not come down the mountain to personally tell you "You know this evolution thing? Bunk, I didnt create it"
For most christians evolution is simply HOW god did it.

 

[roach]

Faith in a testable, observable and verifiable God! What else does it need?

I'm having trouble understanding what this could possibly mean. ?Faith? in a testable, observable, verifiable god? If god is testable, observable and verifiable it wouldn't be faith anymore, would it? I think if you admit faith is not as important to you as a reasonable level of belief based on testable, verifiable, observable evidence, we could have a real substantive debate. Just a thought...

 

[RickG]

But who was in the "Pew Research Center" poll? Was it fair, or did each group only have one representitive? Did they measure each science field by according to its relative size?

Might I suggest trying it another way. How many scientific research papers published in scientific journals that discuss evolution are there that refute evolution? I think you will find that that 1% number you reject does not increase, but decreases to 0%.

 

[RickG]

he New Answers Book 2, Chapter 23 (AiG)
1) There is no proof that the earth ever had an atmosphere composed of the gases used by Miller in his experiment.

Give me something that does, or show where this interpretation is wrong.

There is substantial proof. Used in the Urey-Miller Experiment were CO, H2O, NH3, CH4 & H2.

From: Atmospheric composition and climate on the early Earth".
http://www.csun.edu/~hmc60533/CSUN_311/article_references/Sc_Feb93_EarthEarlyAtmos.pdf

Page 1 and throughout the paper these gases and concentrations are discussed thoroughly.

CH4, NH3, CO2, O2, H2,

This is also supported by a number of other papers to which I can provide links.

 

[Tiberius]

Faith in a testable, observable and verifiable God! What else does it need?

Are you serious?

 

[mark kennedy]

Faith in a testable, observable and verifiable God! What else does it need?

Faith isn't tested exactly, not in the empirical sense. Faith is a determined confidence that is actually a level of confidence in the absence of observable and verifiable acts and characteristics of God. Believers are persuaded on a personal level just as everyone who comes into the world has the light of revelation persuading and convicting them, sometimes defending sometimes accusing.

Yes, God can be tested and at times even observable but that is not the role of faith. Faith is the substance of things unseen, the evidence of things hoped for. The requirement for empirical testing hardly seems compatible with someone who believes God exists and is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.

Not sure I disagree with what you said but I'm really not crazy about how you said it, really all I wanted to say.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[blackbite10]

Religion was simply early peoples way of explaining the inner workingsof the world new religions now are ways for a person (or persons) to control others.

nigeb gnimalf eht tel!

 

[mpok1519]

I believe evolution runs just so far, then can't go any further; something I like to call limited evolution, for lack of a better term.

evolution is limited by enviornmental constraints.

 

[Tiberius]

Such as?

 

[mpok1519]

what do you mean?

The mechanics of evolution aren't invincible to all possible enviornmental catastrophes. Speciation doesn't occur if there are none of the species, genetic flow and drift don't occur when there is no humans to carry that genetic information. Etc.

I was replying to AV, noting that yeah, evolution is limited, just like everything else, to the realm of possibility. But the realm of possibility is larger than he could ever even fathom.

 

[blackbite10]

Most everyone agrees in short term evolution, however if a population is split into two groups and they continue to have small term evolution whats to stop them from turning into seperate species?


The mechanics and theory work.