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I don't care what answers you "sometimes receive." I want to know what physicists are you consulting who claim they know what happened before the big bang?That I can understand, however, that is not the answer I sometimes receive, such as, "they were always there...they were created by the BB...they were not needed for the BB, they just are" etc. So which of these answers are correct? IF, everyone provided an honest answer, not known, cannot answer the question etc. then there would be no need for further questions on that subject would there?
Quoting scripture verbatim isn't a "view."
I was talking about the interpretation which follows.
Clearly it is to be taken as written.
I'll take that as a rhetorical question.Good, we agree on that much.
Was that an interpretation of scripture or, was it my theory about what may have happened? Can you quote any scripture that I changed the meaning of in my "theory"? Did I present any of it as being a "fact" proven by science?
Using scripture, just as it is written, I presented a theory of what may have happened before the BB, can science offer a "theory" of what happened before the BB? If so, can you provide a link or quotes for the theory?
What physicists are you consulting who claim they know what happened before the big bang?
I would not be so foolish as to suppose that the entire Bible must be taken literally, just because I take some of its texts to be so. The Bible is a heterogeneous collection of texts written at different times an places by different authors in different languages over a period of many centuries to satisfy a variety of literary agendas. We don't even know if the nature of the divine inspiration was the same throughout. Your position is the one which doesn't make sense to me.So, we are to take it literally as written when God says, "For whatever things were written before were written for our learning," is to be taken literally but then at the same time you are saying that what was written in Genesis 1 is not to be taken literally, does that make sense to you?
I don't care what answers you "sometimes receive." I want to know what physicists are you consulting who claim they know what happened before the big bang?
I don't remeber Genesis saying anything about God supplying energy from himself. Maybe that is your interpretation - and, if it is your interpretation, what makes it more authoritative than anybody else's?
I'll take that as a rhetorical question.
I assumed that you would not take the position you did, asking for "proof" about what happened before the big bang, without consulting scientific experts who claimed that something was known. You then characterized our assertion that "nobody knows" as an admission, as if you had to force out of us, which makes no sense otherwise.Can you quote my words claiming a physicist, whom I have consulted, claimed to know what happened before the BB? I do not recall ever making such a claim and if I did, I certainly misspoke, so would you please quote my words so I may correct them?
From the OP...
"I happen to be one that believes God said what He meant and He meant what he said so I have a theory"
Using the common English definition of "theory" which some seem hell bent to ignore.
"It is likely that He supplied the energy from Himself to create the universe."
"Theory...it is likely" does that imply to you that it is presented as a fact?
Which brings up the question, where would you say the energy that started the BB came from? Can you prove the universe could be created without energy?
Once again, no (How many times are we going to have to tell you this?) There are speculations, but that's all. You have one, too, it looks like.Good, we agree on that much.
Was that an interpretation of scripture or, was it my theory about what may have happened? Can you quote any scripture that I changed the meaning of in my "theory"? Did I present any of it as being a "fact" proven by science?
Using scripture, just as it is written, I presented a theory of what may have happened before the BB, can science offer a "theory" of what happened before the BB? If so, can you provide a link or quotes for the theory?
I would not be so foolish as to suppose that the entire Bible must be taken literally,
OK, so everyone decides for themselves what Scripture should be taken literally and which ones we are free to take as metaphors, idioms, symbolism etc., is that what you are suggesting? If not, then why should your interpretation be better or more accurate than mine? How about this one, is it literal or a metaphor?
“knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV)
No, everybody does not decide for themselves. The Bible is not a message to us as individuals, but to the whole body of the faithful, who must employ all of the scholarly tools available to understand it fully--linguistics, literature, history, archaeology, anthropology, etc.OK, so everyone decides for themselves what Scripture should be taken literally and which ones we are free to take as metaphors, idioms, symbolism etc., is that what you are suggesting? If not, then why should your interpretation be better or more accurate than mine? How about this one, is it literal or a metaphor?
“knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV)
In the beginning, before anything known to mankind existed, there was a supernatural, intelligent being that created the universe. It is thought that He first created space and then He created matter. It is likely that He supplied the energy from Himself to create the universe. The belief is there was no time dimension at this point and He could have created everything instantaneously but He chose to do it in steps to serve His purpose which was to set days, weeks, months and years for the people He would create later.
On the fourth day, He created lights in the expanse to separate day from night and these were made to give light on earth. The great light, the sun, was to govern the day and the lesser light, the moon, was to govern the night. Up until this event, there was no mechanism for measuring time, IOW, there was no time dimension, now it is in place and waiting for intelligence to measure it.
The light year is a unit of distance, not of time. It is the distance that light travels in a year, approximately 9.46073×10^12 km (5.8786×10^12 miles).I have a couple of questions if anyone wishes to offer a plausible answer for. Time seems to be stated in microseconds, seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years and light years, therefore, if there is no sun and earth's rotation, what are those units based on?
OK, so everyone decides for themselves what Scripture should be taken literally and which ones we are free to take as metaphors, idioms, symbolism etc., is that what you are suggesting? If not, then why should your interpretation be better or more accurate than mine? How about this one, is it literal or a metaphor?
“knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,” (2 Peter 1:20, NKJV)
Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural.
If I don't believe in Romulus and Remus, why should I believe in Julius Caesar and the Emperor Augustus?IF, we cannot believe one part of scripture, why should we believe any of it?
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