My theory on creation.

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

I did a search for that phrase on 30 plus different translations and not one of them has those words. So, how does the Hebrew read according to the Hebrew - English translation?

Or how about the Greek Septuagint interliner, how does it read?

Or how does the NKJV read?

“Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, It shall not be moved.” (1 Chronicles 16:30, NKJV)

Hebrew, Greek and 30 plus English translations and not one of them have the phrase,

“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
I did a search for that phrase on 30 plus different translations and not one of them has those words. So, how does the Hebrew read according to the Hebrew - English translation?

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Or how about the Greek Septuagint interliner, how does it read?

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Or how does the NKJV read?

“Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, It shall not be moved.” (1 Chronicles 16:30, NKJV)

Hebrew, Greek and 30 plus English translations and not one of them have the phrase,

“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Really? The first source that I hit on does not have that exact phrase, but it has that exact meaning:

"
1 Chronicles 16:30International Standard Version (ISV)
30 Tremble in his presence, all the earth!
Surely the inhabited world stands firm—
it cannot be moved.
"

It states that the Earth cannot be moved. A non-moving Earth.

The King James says the same:

"30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."

The fear and trembling part do not apply. They both claim that the Earth does not move.

Are you distracted that easily?

Those are the first two links I came upon when I searched "1 Chronicles 16 30"

How does that not refer to a fixed Earth?

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Hebrew – English Interlinear.

Greek Septuagint Interlinear.

How the NKJV reads.

“For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other.” (Isaiah 45:18, NKJV)

Your version.

“Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

See any difference in the Hebrew, the Greek, the NKJV and your version? Do they agree with your interpretation of how they read? Tell me again how the Bible claims the earth is flat, can you do that, with scripture as it reads?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
Hebrew – English Interlinear.
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Greek Septuagint Interlinear.
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How the NKJV reads.

“For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other.” (Isaiah 45:18, NKJV)

Your version.

“Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

See any difference in the Hebrew, the Greek, the NKJV and your version? Do they agree with your interpretation of how they read? Tell me again how the Bible claims the earth is flat, can you do that, with scripture as it reads?

You are confusing yourself.

Or else you are not being honest.

I thought that you did not like dishonesty?

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Speedwell said:
Go ahead. As far as I am aware I have answered all the questions you have asked of me.

Would you quote your answers to the following questions as they were asked? I cannot find your answers

tevans9129 said:
Was that an interpretation of scripture or, was it my theory about what may have happened? Can you quote any scripture that I changed the meaning of in my "theory"? Did I present any of it as being a "fact" proven by science?

Using scripture, just as it is written, I presented a theory of what may have happened before the BB, can science offer a "theory" of what happened before the BB? If so, can you provide a link or quotes for the theory?

There you go, quote these and I will offer some more.

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
You are confusing yourself.

You did make this statement, correct?

Subduction Zone said:
I will answer any new questions that you post to the best of my ability. I will not dig through old posts.

So, where are your answers to my questions, I will start with the most recent and work back, you know, like the BB theory.

tevans9129 said:
See any difference in the Hebrew, the Greek, the NKJV and your version? Do they agree with your interpretation of how they read? Tell me again how the Bible claims the earth is flat, can you do that, with scripture as it reads?

Speedwell · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
Would you quote your answers to the following questions as they were asked? I cannot find your answers

There you go, quote these and I will offer some more.

I have no answer to the first question.. I thought it was rhetorical, especially as it does not relate to anything I said. To the second question, already answered many times, the answer is still that there is no theory. Nobody knows what went on before the big bang.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

A note on Isaiah 45 18, the only questionable verse, it appears that they source I used treated the word "established" as being set firm. The first verse that was questioned clearly refers to a fixed Earth as do all of the others.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
You did make this statement, correct?

Yes.

So, where are your answers to my questions, I will start with the most recent and work back, you know, like the BB theory.

I have answered your recent questions. I refuted your claim about 1 Chronicles 16 30 and just now cleared up your confusion about Isaiah 45 18.

I see that you have not answered any of my questions yet. And you are confusing yourself. I told you quite clearly that those are the verses that indicate that the Earth is fixed in place. Please try to pay attention before you attack people.

It is your turn. Do you believe the myths of Genesis?

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

lesliedellow said:
I think God is ultimately responsible for Creation, but that does not mean that I think Genesis contains a physical account of the universe's origin. I am quite sure it doesn't.

Fortunately, we all have a right to "think" whatever we please but do we have a right to present what we think as a fact when we cannot answer questions that would corroborate our "thinking" being correct?

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
The first verse that was questioned clearly refers to a fixed Earth as do all of the others.

Here is the Greek from the Septuagint, can you point out where it refers "to a fixed Earth"?

"Let tremble all the earth from before Him" - does that mean the earth is "fixed" or, in context, is the passage speaking of people? "keep straight the earth and not be shaken" Does that imply "fixed" to you? It seems to me it is to keep straight, nothing about fixed.

It seems to me that your verse is taken totally out of context of the passage which is about giving glory to the Lord, do you disagree with that?

“Give to the Lord the glory due His name; Bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness! Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, It shall not be moved. Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; And let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns.”” (1 Chronicles 16:29–31, NKJV)

Can the "earth be glad" or can all the people of the earth be glad?

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
Why should it matter which Bible? If there is doubt one goes to the original Hebrew for Old Testament

Oh I did, but you seem to ignore it. Here it is again, perhaps you can point out specifically where it says anything about the earth being fixed, you do want to stay in context with the passage, correct?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
Fortunately, we all have a right to "think" whatever we please but do we have a right to present what we think as a fact when we cannot answer questions that would corroborate our "thinking" being correct?

tevans9129 said:
Here is the Greek from the Septuagint, can you point out where it refers "to a fixed Earth"?

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"Let tremble all the earth from before Him" - does that mean the earth is "fixed" or, in context, is the passage speaking of people? "keep straight the earth and not be shaken" Does that imply "fixed" to you? It seems to me it is to keep straight, nothing about fixed.

It seems to me that your verse is taken totally out of context of the passage which is about giving glory to the Lord, do you disagree with that?

“Give to the Lord the glory due His name; Bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness! Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, It shall not be moved. Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; And let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns.”” (1 Chronicles 16:29–31, NKJV)

Can the "earth be glad" or can all the people of the earth be glad?

That is only because you are running it through a filter. And why on Earth are you referring to the Septuagint? Do you know what that is? That makes no sense at all. If you are confused why not look at the countless interpretations here:

1 Chronicles 16:30 Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

And here is a link to the translation from the Hebrew:

1 Chronicles 16:30 Hebrew Text Analysis

tevans9129 · Aug 19, 2017

bhsmte said:
Yep, that was my line of thinking. The word "theory" is used too often by many.

Well, it certainly seems to be used a lot in the scientific community. It seems to me that some people use it as a crutch when someone uses it with its common every day English definition.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
Oh I did, but you seem to ignore it. Here it is again, perhaps you can point out specifically where it says anything about the earth being fixed, you do want to stay in context with the passage, correct?

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Your Hebrew source is extremely awkward, that is why I ignore it. Did you follow the link that I gave you?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

tevans9129 said:
Well, it certainly seems to be used a lot in the scientific community. It seems to me that some people use it as a crutch when someone uses it with its common every day English definition.

You have that backwards, the "every day English definition" is so vague as to be worthless. In the world of science it has a very specific meaning.

AV1611VET · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
How does that not refer to a fixed Earth?

Are you on that "fixed earth" stuff again?

How do you explain this?

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Are you on that "fixed earth" stuff again?

How do you explain this?

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

You have not been following the conversation. The point is that much of the Bible cannot be read literally. And that includes the myths of Genesis. If you take the myths of Genesis literally then you have no excuse not to take the flat Earth and immovable Earth claims literally.

AV1611VET · Aug 19, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
You have not been following the conversation. The point is that much of the Bible cannot be read literally. And that includes the myths of Genesis. If you take the myths of Genesis literally then you have no excuse not to take the flat Earth and immovable Earth claims literally.

Maybe you need a course in Hermeneutics 101, eh?

Should I believe God has feathers?

Subduction Zone · Aug 19, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Maybe you need a course in Hermeneutics 101, eh?

Should I believe God has feathers?

Once again, it appears that you are the one that needs the course. If you want to claim that the myths of Genesis are true, then you might as well claim that God has feathers as well.

You need to be consistent. Either take the Bible literally or treat the parts that are clearly not true as being poetic tools, allegory, fable, etc..

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