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Plus add a few forces that aren't part of a shaking table demonstration. The demo makes a result of plate tectonics (earthquakes) appear to be a cause. This demo proves nothing and shows nothing except the ability for the ignorant to sometimes fool the gullible.A table top that matches the curvature of the earth not at all and is so therefore not a valid hypothesis? Curve your table top slightly - then come back and tell me what happens?????
Except after awhile, a flat-earther would expect to see the "folds" in the paper create "mountain chains."Plus add a few forces that aren't part of a shaking table demonstration. The demo makes a result of plate tectonics (earthquakes) appear to be a cause. This demo proves nothing and shows nothing except the ability for the ignorant to sometimes fool the gullible.
It appears this challenge isn't going to get answered, so I'll go ahead and answer it.
I have demonstrated a flat earth.
I hope not, as there is no valid comparison with reality. The demo was basically two dimensional with the "application" of only one force. There are other forces to contend with. Also, the historical result of plate tectonics (and future results) are caused by certain forces applied at certain places, in different directions, at certain times. If one created a true model of the processes, predictions could be made which match actual results. IOW, the continents did not just move around randomly, but are the result of a cause and effect scenario. And don't forget that the seven continents are how we see them today; they weren't like that tens of millions of years ago, and won't be the same tens of millions of years in the future.Except after awhile, a flat-earther would expect to see the "folds" in the paper create "mountain chains."
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If the paper was cut into the shape of our seven continents, I would assume they would expect to eventually see the same configuration as our earth is today.
I have no doubt that prayer for them is ineffective.Yes.
That's been brought to our attention many times here, by happy scientists who love talking about how ineffective prayer is.
A well designed study will use practitioner groups that are familiar with prayer and pray regularly - priests, nuns, congregants, etc. Efficacy is compared against placebo in various ways.I have no doubt that prayer for them is ineffective.
Whoever participated in those studies needs counseling, IMO.A well designed study will use practitioner groups that are familiar with prayer and pray regularly - priests, nuns, congregants, etc. Efficacy is compared against placebo in various ways.
It seems churlish of the alleged phenomenon to only function when it is not being studied. Claims of such phenomena are characteristic of magical thinking. The results generally suggest that there is no more than a placebo effect - and if the person(s) prayed for are unaware of the prayers, the person(s) praying seem to show the benefit; feeling you are doing good makes you feel better...
Whoever participated in those studies needs counseling, IMO.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Yes and no.But don't you think atheists have a reasonable question?
Not really, no. Most of the content of the Bible is untestable, so is of little direct interest to science, but the testable statements should be fair game. Science attempts to test claims about the physical world to see whether they correspond to observable reality.Yes, they have a reasonable question because their job is to undermine the Bible.
You can, of course, believe whatever you want, but if you make a testable statement about the physical world, don't be surprised if someone tests it and tells you whether or not it corresponds to reality. The Bible contains lots of testable statements that can be treated as claims about the physical world; in Mythbusters-speak, some have been 'busted' (falsified), some are plausible, and some have been confirmed. Whether or not this undermines the Bible depends on which testable Biblical statements about the physical world you take literally.Eventually they will use science to question ... and dismiss ... every single jot & tittle of the Scriptures.
No, I don't think it is a reasonable question, in light of the fact that we are casting our pearls before unbelievers.
Yes and no.
Yes, they have a reasonable question because their job is to undermine the Bible.
Thus the question is a reasonable question, in that it gives them something else to sterilize.
No, I don't think it is a reasonable question, in light of the fact that we are casting our pearls before unbelievers.
Christians who participate in these kinds of scientific tests need counseling.
In my opinion.
Not me! Not me!Wait a sec...you're gonna tell me that there are people that still believe the earth is flat?
Thanks!Small cleanup, ladies and gentlemen. Just mopping up a little spill. Please be civil. Thank you.
As I said, I would expect a scientist to want to test our faith.MAYBE, just maybe their job isn't to "undermine the Bible" but rather test the claims of the faithful. People of faith often present positive claims that seem to beg non-believers to test them.
As I said, I would expect a scientist to want to test our faith.
After all, Satan attempted to test Jesus' claims as well.
I would hope though, that Christians would tell them, "No, thanks."
Please show me one passage of Scripture that has been put through the scientific method and has come out as predicted.How helpful overall is it to compare honest questioning to the actions of Satan?
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