My Struggle

[Glass*Soul]

a literal interpretation of the bible would lead me to conclude scripture condemns homosexuality

the wickedest city was considered so wicked in part because homosexuality was practiced there.

but i say think for yourself, don't believe everything you read

Sexaul immorality, specifically rape, was only one aspect of what was wrong with Sodom, and not the heart of the matter by any means. According to the bible the sin of Sodom was inhospitality and injustice, rape being a demonstration of the nth degree of that inhospitality and injustice.

Please see:

• Isaiah 1:10-17 where God detests the ritual sacrifices of Sodom and Gomorrah, but instead pleads with them to seek justice, encourage the oppressed, and defend orphans and widows.
• Ezekiel 16:49,50: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did destestible things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
• In Matthew 10 and Luke 10 Jesus evokes the name in Sodom in the context of towns being inhospitable to the message he was sending out with his disciples.

We all had them at that age...but that isnt what the OP said...


Attraction to grown MEN at age 11 is hardly the same as a kindergarden crush your age.

Which is why I felt that the private communications suggestion was innappropriate by the first responder.

If a 19 year old heterosexual GIRL came onto this forum who said something like "Im terribly confused, but Im having trouble with desiring MEN"....does any christian here believe that it would be even remotely appropriate for ME...a 42 year old man to not only tell her to 'go with her heart' or whatever, but then invite her to a private communique as well?
Id hope that responsible christians would have a FIT if man of my age tried to console her in private.

I hope you see my point.

I see no impropriety in one member who has spent time working through a challenge offering to help a younger member facing the same.

Would you care to explain why this is not appropriate.

 

[HuntingMan]

Not that I can recolect ... I've grown up in a Christian home surrounded by christian people ... i myself am a Christian, I've accepted the lord into my heart and life as my one true savior! But i have been struggling with this for a long time ... almost 10 years. And yes I agree with that it was a young age to start feeling these attractions ...

Sorry for inquiring, I know that is a personal question, but Ive noticed a tendancy for sexual interests to be peaked much earlier with individuals who may have had an early 'encounter' of some sort or another.

We'll keep you in our prayers on this end

 

[HuntingMan]

Go ahead and get you a boyfriend. There's nothing wrong with it. I can promise you that.

unbelievable.

 

[HuntingMan]

This is a hard question to answer (silly aint it) ... Cause at times I can find myself attracted to women ... *sigh* im just really lost and seeking answers. kalith you bring up valid scripture ... and putting it simply the bible seems to condemn Homosexuality. And all things said and done and if this were true ... and that it is true then how do I make the attraction cease. For about as long as I can remember I have been this way. And believe me I have prayed my face blue to god to somehow open the doorway to set me free if this whole thing with me is like it says in the Bible "An Abomination" ...

I would go to someone, and I probably should however I also have a fear of man and I am very sensitive to what people think about me ... in fact i really care what people think about me, and I know if my family were to find out about me or anyone else I know were to they would never look at me the same way or treat me the same way and that ... those thoughts are unbearable.

Back in the latter half of the 90s I worked with a very beautiful young woman...bright red hair, about 5' 4', thin...an amazing face that was just in no need of any sort of makeup (of course, I dont feel any woman needs cosmetics, the female face is a thing of beauty without all that stuff covering it).

Anyway, she was a proclaimed lesbian and had a 'friend' who I swore was a man and later found out it was a woman.
I also found out that these two were lovers and lived together and had for a few years at that point (she was mid 20s then).

After while we hired this young man who was quite a character. Completely oblivious, tons of excitement and very personable. Someone you couldnt dislike even if you tried to.

Well, I noticed very early on that our lesbian friend was starting to find reasons...any reason at all...to come out into the print room to hang around the guy.
At first I just thought it was because she was looking at it like I was...that this was just an interesting person to talk to.
But over time I noticed some of the trademark sypmtoms of a young woman becoming a bit more interested and even caught her flirting a few times with him.

My guess is that there were some very natural instincts in this young woman that were coming thru and she was interested in this young man more romantically than she or anyone else might have wanted to admit.

I think her 'friend' caught on at home that something was actually up because she started coming to the shop after that more often and then the young woman just pretty much quit one day.

 

[HuntingMan]

go to a church that does deliverance and ask a deliverance minister to cast out the demon that is causing you to be homosexual. meantime you should read up more on deliverance and the kinds of effects demons can have within the person. Whether you are a believer or nonbeliever, almost every person who has never undergone deliverance have demons in them thats causing them to do things against God's Will.

you should post up your topic in the Deliverance Ministry section of this site. The Christians in that part of the forum are involved in deliverance and they will tell why your sexual orientation is not the way God intend it to be.

meantime you can visit this page and read up more about deliverance.

www.demonbuster.com

That site is one of the single most UNscriptural things Ive ever seen.
The author is completely obsessed with demons.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Demons are not the cause of homosexuality. Please do not listen to that kind of clap trap.

 

[tulc]

That site is one of the single most UNscriptural things Ive ever seen.
The author is completely obsessed with demons.

tulc(and another for good measure!)

 

[Stinker]

Back in the latter half of the 90s I worked with a very beautiful young woman...bright red hair, about 5' 4', thin...an amazing face that was just in no need of any sort of makeup (of course, I dont feel any woman needs cosmetics, the female face is a thing of beauty without all that stuff covering it).

Anyway, she was a proclaimed lesbian and had a 'friend' who I swore was a man and later found out it was a woman.
I also found out that these two were lovers and lived together and had for a few years at that point (she was mid 20s then).

After while we hired this young man who was quite a character. Completely oblivious, tons of excitement and very personable. Someone you couldnt dislike even if you tried to.

Well, I noticed very early on that our lesbian friend was starting to find reasons...any reason at all...to come out into the print room to hang around the guy.
At first I just thought it was because she was looking at it like I was...that this was just an interesting person to talk to.
But over time I noticed some of the trademark sypmtoms of a young woman becoming a bit more interested and even caught her flirting a few times with him.

My guess is that there were some very natural instincts in this young woman that were coming thru and she was interested in this young man more romantically than she or anyone else might have wanted to admit.

I think her 'friend' caught on at home that something was actually up because she started coming to the shop after that more often and then the young woman just pretty much quit one day.

This is a very interesting post.

It is a life example that our sexual nature attraction is not geared 100% to male or female 100% of the time.

 

[HuntingMan]

I see no impropriety in one member who has spent time working through a challenge offering to help a younger member facing the same.

Would you care to explain why this is not appropriate.

I gave my very CLEAR reasonings in the very post you quoted.
Either you see the point there or you dont.
Sexual sins aside...there is inappropriateness to consider.

 

[HuntingMan]

Demons are not the cause of homosexuality. Please do not listen to that kind of clap trap.

I dont buy that nonsense either.

Demons CAN try to influence a man, but they CANNOT directly control sexual activity and desires barring directly being demonically possessed.

I see no support anywhere in scripture for demons being to blame in ANY sexual issue.
Paul always deals directly with the persons themselves where any type of fornication (unlawful sexual issue) is concerned.

When we look at matters of fornication, it simply seems to come down to 'obedience'.
Paul tells a man to have a wife rather than be tempted by sexual desires into committing sin.

What Im not entirely sure of is 'desire'. If a man does have desires but does not submit to those desires because he understands that to act on them is against Gods will....it would almost seem to be to be 'overcoming'...just what we are called to do.

God reasoned with Cain telling him that 'sin' was crouched at the door and its desire was for him...but CAIN must master it.
Obviously this was refering to Cains growing anger towards his brother Abel, but it seemingly could be applied to any instance where we have occasion to commit an act that is against Gods law....but instead desire to 'master' the situation and refuse to break Gods law.


Im going to toss a thought out here for critique.

Would not a man who DID have to fight against desires within himself (ones that might be in opposition to Gods law) and to overcome those desires be much more deserving of admiration if he does war against them and does overcome as opposed to someone who never had anything much to struggle against?

I wonder sometimes, when the Lord says 'enter in faithful servant', if there wont be a special place in His heart for one who has faced these terrible INTERNAL battles and do overcome because they believe Gods law and want desperately to cling to it.

I cant imagine any small reward for a man who did have such adversity to fight within his very body and a mind. I know such a man would have faced far greater things than I ever have or will in my own life....

 

[MsScarlett]

I hope you see my point.

HuntingMan, I stand corrected. In my mind, I was thinking he said he was attracted to other males. But you're right, he did say men. There is a difference. I'll let the OP clarify before continuing.

 

[BrotherDave]

God says that hmosexualuty is an abomination in Lev 18:22. See also Romans 1:21-32.

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

God created us all with the physical desires we have and the man/woman relationship is where our focus is most severely tested. But our focus must always be to bring the Gospel. If there is strong attraction between a man and woman they should get and stay married to avoid sinning.

But Homosexuality is not God glorifying and most definately a sin.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Demons are not the cause of homosexuality. Please do not listen to that kind of clap trap.

tulc(and another for good measure!)

And yet another for even more good measure.

Please do not subject yourself to this.

 

[Glass*Soul]

I gave my very CLEAR reasonings in the very post you quoted.
Either you see the point there or you dont.
Sexual sins aside...there is inappropriateness to consider.

I felt your reasoning was faulty. Instead of addressing the situation as it stood you offered us a false analogy. The analogy fails because there are differences between the two scenarios that effect the conclusion, specifically that SeekinTruth and ChaliceThunder share a common challenge, Chalice Thunder being older and having more experience in dealing with it. That makes your analogy a logical fallacy.

The onus is on you to make your point so that it can be seen clearly. Either you will explain your point straighforwardly or you will not. If you will not then I suggest you retract your accusation of inappropriateness.

 

[Miracle Storm]

Moved from CP&E to DOH

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I gave my very CLEAR reasonings in the very post you quoted.
Either you see the point there or you dont.
Sexual sins aside...there is inappropriateness to consider.

I can only assume this a projection on your part.

 

[Brieuse]

Hello all ... This isn't my first time on these boards ... but due to reasons of embarrassment and other things I'm not willing to discuss I created a new I.D. for myself.

Anyway, I have been struggling heavily with homosexual desires and drives. And one of the biggest problems I am having is that I am not convinced it is wrong. Ever since I was about 10-11 years old I have been attracted to men. Thats within what some people would call the age of innocence right? If so how were these attractions wrong? But anyway I've been strolling through some of the other debates on this topic and I am not getting any clear answers. I have heard both sides of the argument it is wrong and it isn't wrong and valid reasons have been given to support each side. I am just trying to make sense of this all ... I feel completely lost and in need of answers. What are your collective thoughts on this. Is it wrong and why or is it ok and why?

Thanks

If you are looking for some sort of healing, then I'm afraid this forum isn't really for you. Quite a few of us here have been through the same struggle with controversial results. If you are willing to be honest about yourself and honest to God, I believe you'll come out a better person.

I believe there is nothing wrong with being gay. You've mentioned yourself that you don't believe it is wrong, which I believe is a step in the right direction.

My advice to you is to go to see a psychologist to get clarity. Try to avoid the so-called councilors in the church as they really are not qualified for you and will most likely try to feed you with rubbish.

 

[davedjy]

My suggestion is that you hurry off this forum before you are lead to believe that God is 'ok' with men having sex with men.....He ISNT.

Hurry off this forum before you actually learn there are 2 sides of the debate.

The poster above is simply deluding himself into thinking that God has blessed his fornications with another man.

Yet you cannot prove by the Bible that a same sex, life long relationship is "fornication". Fornication never carried the definition back in Biblical times as "homosexuality".

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Hurry off this forum before you actually learn there are 2 sides of the debate.



Yet you cannot prove by the Bible that a same sex, life long relationship is "fornication". Fornication never carried the definition back in Biblical times as "homosexuality".

partly because homosexuality didn't exist then. At least not in the same context that it does today. People were not identified as strictly same-sex oriented therefore any condemnations were based upon those actions and not the orientation of the people that are involved.

 

[KalithAlur]

were you there when all that stuff happened, Jet?

I was there, Jet. I can tell you, even 3,900,045 years ago, homosexuality existed in the sense of life-long same-sex attraction.