My struggle with bibles

[Always in His Presence]

It can be hard to read folks on the internet. I was wondering why you were pointing out why @Xeno.of.athens made three similar posts, and assumed that you were going hard on the Catholic teachings. Sorry about that, brother. My bad, I should not have made assumptions.

He did not make three similar posts - he made three threads - stating the same thing multiple times.

 

[Always in His Presence]

My brother, we are all brothers in Christ, so please do not go too hard on us Catholics such as @Xeno.of.athens and myself. We all believe in the Good News, that Jesus saves (John 3:16), and that God has a Trinity, regardless of denomination (except for Unitarians).

It would be nice if Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants banded together to put an end to the Unitarian Universalist church (which is not really a church, but a false teaching):

Unitarian Universalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My suggestion - as a staff member - you should really read the forum rules about calling a group not Christian.

 

[Offline4Better.]

My suggestion - as a staff member - you should really read the forum rules about calling a group not Christian.

Thank you, I do agree there. I should not be judging the Universalist movement, even if they may not be part of our Trinitarian Christian belief system.

 

[Offline4Better.]

He did not make three similar posts - he made three threads - stating the same thing multiple times.

I do agree with you there. He might be trying to make a point about how Bibles should not omit scriptures or entire books such as Sirach and other Catholic books. But hey, I use both Protestant and Catholic Bibles (online versions), and I love both versions.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I think you are too tied to Catholic authority. I understand that that is a "safe place" for you. But one does not have to be a "rebel" to make God Himself your primary authority and then trust in your own studies and rational powers to determine what is right for you. Just my opinion...

I appreciate your perspective, but I hold a different view and cannot concur with it.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Okie doke, Xeno.

I pray there's no acrimony between us.

Never has been, God willing there never will be.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

WOW! this must be really important to you to open three threads in two weeks on the subject.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

He did not make three similar posts - he made three threads - stating the same thing multiple times.

They all look different to me.

 

[jas3]

My suggestion - as a staff member - you should really read the forum rules about calling a group not Christian.

My suggestion - as a fellow member - you should really read what the forum rules say about which groups are not considered Christian on CF:

"Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF."

Therefore, Unitarians of all kinds, Oneness Pentecostals, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and all others who deny what the Nicene Creed teaches are considered non-Christians by the rules of the forum.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

He did not make three similar posts - he made three threads - stating the same thing multiple times.

One thread discusses the Catholic Church's teachings on scripture, utilizing Dei Verbum as a reference. Another thread debates the trustworthiness of various Bibles, asking which ones are most and least reliable. The final thread explores personal challenges with understanding the Bible, presenting three distinct topics.

 

[Servus]

Um, how is 'trusting in your own studies and rational powers' working out for all those who trust in their own studies and rational powers and end up disagreeing with others who trust their own studies and rational powers?

The thing with that is Catholics disagree with each other too. Right now a lot of Catholics are disagreeing with Pope Francis as a very observable example.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The thing with that is Catholics disagree with each other too. Right now a lot of Catholics are disagreeing with Pope Francis as a very observable example.

Francis isn't perfect

 

[Offline4Better.]

My suggestion - as a fellow member - you should really read what the forum rules say about which groups are not considered Christian on CF:

"Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF."

Therefore, Unitarians of all kinds, Oneness Pentecostals, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and all others who deny what the Nicene Creed teaches are considered non-Christians by the rules of the forum.

Hey, thank you for defending me brother.

Now, I am certain to have the freedom to say this about the Unitarians: The Unitarian church is anti-Christian, and is the antithesis to all that is holy.

 

[HARK!]

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[chevyontheriver]

The thing with that is Catholics disagree with each other too. Right now a lot of Catholics are disagreeing with Pope Francis as a very observable example.

Yup, we do disagree. We rely too much on our own rational powers and we muddle it up too. In our best moments we do not rely on our own studies and our own rational powers as the be all and end all of theological method. In our weaker moments we are just like you all.

 

[Servus]

Francis isn't perfect

Who is? The point is different Popes have held different and opposing views. Therefore it logically follows that there's disagreement among Catholics in general. Meaning it's not just Protestants who butt heads.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Who is? The point is different Popes have held different and opposing views. Therefore it logically follows that there's disagreement among Catholics in general. Meaning it's not just Protestants who butt heads.

Popes have been remarkably consistent up until this one. And this one hasn’t succeeded yet in any major changes.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Who is? The point is different Popes have held different and opposing views. Therefore it logically follows that there's disagreement among Catholics in general. Meaning it's not just Protestants who butt heads.

It is human nature for everyone, regardless of denominations to butt heads, cos we live in a fallen world. So, no denomination is perfect.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Who is? The point is different Popes have held different and opposing views. Therefore it logically follows that there's disagreement among Catholics in general. Meaning it's not just Protestants who butt heads.

Indeed, Catholics often maintain unity within the same church without resorting to anathematising those with whom they disagree.

 

[RandyPNW]

Um, how is 'trusting in your own studies and rational powers' working out for all those who trust in their own studies and rational powers and end up disagreeing with others who trust their own studies and rational powers?

Just fine, thank you. If you don't trust in your own rational powers, how do you think at all? Will you put your trust in someone else to use his "rational powers" for you?

Job 12.24 He deprives the leaders of the earth of their reason; he makes them wander in a trackless waste.
Acts 18.4 Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
1 Cor 1.24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
James 1.5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

We will not all agree on everything, but those who are like-minded can find unity in Christ despite some peripheral differences. Ecclesiastical leadership is not equal to Christ.

Our relationship with Christ must be so personal that we can appropriate wisdom from him directly, and not have to trust those who say, "Trust me." Our assurance of Salvation comes directly from him, and not from those who say, "Trust me."

I get assurance of my Salvation directly from Christ. Do you get your assurance of Salvation from a priest, from the Pope, or from Christ himself? If it is from Christ, then you are trusting in your own reason, and in wisdom that you've received from him.