My Soteriology.

[Clare73]

That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.
In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."

Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.


What a strange hermeneutic. . .

In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).

In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.

Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."

Lol call it strange, if you condition your salvation on obeying a command, its works, law keeping salvation, and its totally divorced from Salvation by Grace through Faith.

Non-responsive to the Biblical presentation above. . .

 

[Brightfame52]

Non-responsive to the Biblical presentation above. . .

Yeah, you promote salvation by works, law keeping.

 

[Clare73]

That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.

In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."
Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.

What a strange hermeneutic. . .

In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).

In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.

Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."

Yeah, you promote salvation by works, law keeping.

Your methodology betrays the validity of your argument.

 

[Brightfame52]

Your methodology betrays the validity of your argument.

Your methodology conditioning salvation on keeping commands reveals you teach salvation by law keeping/Works, so you are bound to keep the whole law !

 

[Clare73]

That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.
In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."
Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.

What a strange hermeneutic. . .
In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).
In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.
Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."

Your methodology conditioning salvation on keeping commands reveals you teach salvation by law keeping/Works, so you are bound to keep the whole law !

Non-responsive again to the Biblical presentation above. . .with which your personal view is in disagreement.

 

[First Age]

According to what scripture?

Isaiah 65:9​

“And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.”
The elect are the true church
so I have the authority to tell you that The new age is not the true church.
BACHAR
Means tried and tested chosen

 

[All Becomes New]

No Im not. Christ only died for Gods elect and all are not Gods elect. Do you believe people Christ died for are Justified before God soley on the basis of His death for them apart from their faith and repentance , and while they are unbelievers still ? Yes or No

No. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, not just the elect (John 3:16, 1 John 2:2).

 

[Brightfame52]

No. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, not just the elect (John 3:16, 1 John 2:2).

Thats false, and obviously you dont believe that the death of Christ in and of itself effects Salvation for everyone He died for. You must believe there are people who He died for, will still wind up lost in their sins and unbelief which He already died for and put away. Also this means you believe in works Salvation, that men must do something in order to get saved, since Christs death alone didnt do it.

 

[All Becomes New]

Thats false, and obviously you dont believe that the death of Christ in and of itself effects Salvation for everyone He died for. You must believe there are people who He died for, will still wind up lost in their sins and unbelief which He already died for and put away. Also this means you believe in works Salvation, that men must do something in order to get saved, since Christs death alone didnt do it.

No, you are quite mistaken. It's not about doing anything that saves you. I believe in Irresistible Grace, just like you. My position is not something you are going to find in Calvinism or Arminianism. I believe in the efficacy of preaching the word, which saves by means of repentance.

Romans 10:14–15 CSB17
“How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news.”

 

[Brightfame52]

No, you are quite mistaken. It's not about doing anything that saves you. I believe in Irresistible Grace, just like you. My position is not something you are going to find in Calvinism or Arminianism. I believe in the efficacy of preaching the word, which saves by means of repentance.

Romans 10:14–15 CSB17
“How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news.”

Dont you believe there are people Christ died for who will go to hell for their sins ? Yes or No

 

[All Becomes New]

Dont you believe there are people Christ died for who will go to hell for their sins ? Yes or No

Yes. John 3:16, 1 John 2:2 deal with those verses. Apostle John never uses the term "whole world" to speak of only the elect. Never. He never does that.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes. John 3:16, 1 John 2:2 deal with those verses. Apostle John never uses the term "whole world" to speak of only the elect. Never. He never does that.

Okay glad you honest, so then #1 You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 You promote salvation by the doings of man. Thats not a good testimony for Christ !

 

[All Becomes New]

Okay glad you honest, so then #1 You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 You promote salvation by the doings of man. Thats not a good testimony for Christ !

Take it up with the Bible, not me.

 

[Brightfame52]

Take it up with the Bible, not me.

You posted didnt you ?

 

[All Becomes New]

You posted didnt you ?

Yes, and you haven't delt with my Biblical argument. Instead, you insist on your view being correct with no Biblical basis for it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes, and you haven't delt with my Biblical argument. Instead, you insist on your view being correct with no Biblical basis for it.

Im finished with you You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and you promote salvation by works. Anybody who teaches and believes that Jesus Christ died for the sins of people who still wind up in hell for their sins, automatically #1 Deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 condition salvation on something man must do. Nothing else to discuss partner

 

[All Becomes New]

Im finished with you You deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and you promote salvation by works. Anybody who teaches and believes that Jesus Christ died for the sins of people who still wind up in hell for their sins, automatically #1 Deny the saving efficacy of Christs death and #2 condition salvation on something man must do. Nothing else to discuss partner

Sure. Show your Soteriology with scripture as I have. Else, you have no argument.

 

[Brightfame52]

Sure. Show your Soteriology with scripture as I have. Else, you have no argument.

okay, your argument denies the saving death of Christ and promotes salvation by works !

 

[Clare73]

Sure. Show your Soteriology with scripture as I have. Else, you have no argument.

As he likewise failed to show Scripture in response to my Scriptural argument in post #65.

He shows none because he has none because there is none in Scripture

 

[All Becomes New]

okay, your argument denies the saving death of Christ and promotes salvation by works !

That's quite false. I think if you were to actually read and understand the view I have stated in this thread, you would know that, but instead, you resort to cheap attacks.