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Dont want early returns spoiling the last minute voting.
We're all on edge about which one will win!
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Dont want early returns spoiling the last minute voting.Yep, but you have to vote before you can see the results. I did that on purpose.
I created a apple butter sandwich. My sandwich is part of the Universe.
Question: In this act, did I create the Universe?
you created a PART of the universe.
You didn't create any part of the universe
Her point is a good one.I'm getting mixed messages here.
Wrong energy is not conserved in an expanding universe ("the laws of thermodynamics" are not violated).Her point is a good one.
If you created the sandwich ex nihilo, then you raised the amount of mass/energy in the universe according; in clear violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
Fine.Wrong energy is not conserved in an expanding universe ("the laws of thermodynamics" are not violated).
Wrong again.Fine.
The laws of thermodynamics aren't violated.
But creating something ex nihilo raises the total amount of mass/energy in the universe -- however "briefly".
As opposed to creatio ex materia, which doesn't.
Then why did she say "most of space is near emptiness"?Wrong again.
There is no such thing as creating something ex nihilo as space-time can never be empty.
Spacetime or a vacuum can never be totally empty.
Because she talking about things in space-time atoms, molecules, electrons, stars, galaxies etc.Then why did she say "most of space is near emptiness"?
Are you implying that once God created the earth on Day One, which was the first physical object created in the universe, that He could no longer create anything else ex nihilo due to some theory about the universe expanding or something?Because she talking about things in space-time atoms, molecules, electrons, stars, galaxies etc.
Vacuum energy is a property of space-time itself.
Suppose you were able to remove all matter, every single atom, molecule, ion and electron from a volume of space-time.
You are not left with a perfect vacuum as vacuum energy still remains.
Not attempting to delve into your problematic version (which is up for you to figure out), but according to the NRSVU, the earth was already there, (it was complete chaos), and so was the deep, (it was covered in darkness), .. it had a face of waters. So there's three already existing objects right there .. right off the bat.Are you implying that once God created the earth on Day One, which was the first physical object created in the universe,
This is totally contradicted by observation.Are you implying that once God created the earth on Day One, which was the first physical object created in the universe, that He could no longer create anything else ex nihilo due to some theory about the universe expanding or something?
The universe was created static, then God stretched it out in an instant, and all that mass is now expanding outward to the very edge.
Like smoke expanding out in all directions.
Correct.
But as I said, He created Earth first, then the cosmos.
Earth = Day 1.
Stars = Day 4.
If time is confusing to you, then just take away those passages that say, AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE [...] DAY.why do you think so? Time didn't exist until God created it .... and He created time
for specific purposes on earth. Time is related to earth and not the cosmos.
If time is confusing to you, then just take away those passages that say, AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE [...] DAY.
You still have the proper order of things that came into existence, starting with the earth first, then the rest of the universe afterwards.
Why do you think that.why do you think so? Time didn't exist until God created it .... and He created time
for specific purposes on earth. Time is related to earth and not the cosmos.
I'm talking about the ORDER that God created the universe in.I understand time as God created it ... and He created it for mankind. God dwells in eternity and eternity don't have a time element.
Except for the other orders created by other versions of the Bible.I'm talking about the ORDER that God created the universe in.
An opinion - yours.AV1611VET said:Earth first ... then the rest of the universe ... raising the amount of mass/energy accordingly.
Gap theory?Not attempting to delve into your problematic version (which is up for you to figure out), but according to the NRSVU, the earth was already there, (it was complete chaos), and so was the deep, (it was covered in darkness), .. it had a face of waters. So there's three already existing objects right there .. right off the bat.
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