My Raisin Bread Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Would your logic apply to a hard-boiled egg created ex nihilo as well? a tractor? a car? a city? a planet?

Yes.

A hospital? medicine that cures cancer? bridges? clean drinking water?

 

[DogmaHunter]

But you sure know how to accuse an innocent person of being deceptive, don't you?

Innocent person?
I thought we were just talking about an hypothetical.
I'm calling the hypothetical deceptive.

When you deliberatly go out of your way to make something appear to be different from what it actually is, what else can you call that?

Do you realize a child would just eat the thing and not care?

Yes, children don't really think about stuff. Especially concerning the origins of food. They see food and they think only "YEAH!! EAT! WHOOHOO!".

I see this every day in my 3-year old.
He couldn't care less if that chocolate bar was made in a factory or if an extra-dimensional unicorn just threw it up. It's chocolate and it's delicious - who cares where it came from.

Children also happily swallow up fairy tales about santa claus and stuff.

I wonder why you think this point supports your case.

What if I created truckloads of raisin bread ex nihilo (including the trucks) and gave them to starving children in India?
Would you order a halt to my "shenanigans"?

The fact that you are now going down this line of "argument", shows how weak and silly your entire case is.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that you are now going down this line of "argument", shows how weak and silly your entire case is.

Well if exceptions to your accusations bother you that much, you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.

 

[Kylie]

So they would be wrong, but it would be my fault … right?

Would your logic apply to a hard-boiled egg created ex nihilo as well? a tractor? a car? a city? a planet?

Haven't you said you believe the moon was formed with craters already there? Don't these speak of something happening that never actually happened?

 

[Kylie]

A hospital? medicine that cures cancer? bridges? clean drinking water?

Are you trying to say that you aren't telling lies about how it was made if the thing does something that is considered good?

Please, that's a pretty weak argument.

 

[DogmaHunter]

A hospital? medicine that cures cancer? bridges? clean drinking water?

It applies to everything that is made in such a way that it specifically looks like something that it is not.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Well if exceptions to your accusations bother you that much, you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.

You didn't expose an exception.

You just pointed out the obvious fact that children will believe pretty much anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

Haven't you said you believe the moon was formed with craters already there?

Negative.

QV please: Craters

 

[PsychoSarah]

Here's my raisin bread challenge to you, AV.

A man walks up to you and states: god sent me to bring you this holy raisin bread. You cannot eat it and you cannot remove it from your home or hide it from sight, or you'll go to hell.

You won't find out if this guy was telling the truth or not until you die.

Will you burden yourself with unremarkable, eventually rotting loaf of bread on the chance that this guy is telling the truth, despite no evidence for it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's my raisin bread challenge to you, AV.

A man walks up to you and states: god sent me to bring you this holy raisin bread. You cannot eat it and you cannot remove it from your home or hide it from sight, or you'll go to hell.

You won't find out if this guy was telling the truth or not until you die.

Will you burden yourself with unremarkable, eventually rotting loaf of bread on the chance that this guy is telling the truth, despite no evidence for it?

First of all, I don't like raisin bread, so I'd probably throw it to the birds.

Second of all, the man made a BIG mistake when he contradicted the Bible.

Thirdly, he contradicted the Bible with, "God sent me …"

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Lucky for him there are no more prophets since AD 96, or he would have committed a capital crime.

 

[PsychoSarah]

First of all, I don't like raisin bread, so I'd probably throw it to the birds.

Second of all, the man made a BIG mistake when he contradicted the Bible.

Thirdly, he contradicted the Bible with, "God sent me …"

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Lucky for him there are no more prophets since AD 96, or he would have committed a capital crime.

So now you might go to hell because you assumed he lied, since the premise is that you can't know for sure either way. Congratulations, you now are in the non-raisin bread denomination of Christianity that the raisin bread denomination condemns to hell

You see how the dynamic changes when the actual answer, that is, whether or not what this guy said is true, cannot be known until you are dead? See any parallels to that, perhaps?

 

[AV1611VET]

So now you might go to hell because you assumed he lied,

I didn't assume he lied.

He lied.

I know soteriology enough to know he's probably a college-educated kid.

Probably on [scientist-created] LSD.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I didn't assume he lied.

He lied.

I know soteriology enough to know he's probably a college-educated kid.

Probably on [scientist-created] LSD.

lol, I gave no details, but imagined it was a homeless looking guy in his 50s XD, not a kid. Pfft, LSD. Look at all these details you decided to add, they say a bit about you but lend nothing to the actual situation I presented.

 

[AV1611VET]

lol, I gave no details, but imagined it was a homeless looking guy in his 50s XD, not a kid. Pfft, LSD. Look at all these details you decided to add, they say a bit about you but lend nothing to the actual situation I presented.

Okay, Sarah, I'll parse this thing and tell you the first thing that goes through my mind as he's talking.

Fair enough?

Man: God sent me …
AV: Oh-oh. Charismatic here. Or Pentecostal.
Man: … to bring you this holy raisin bread.
AV: Nut.
Man: You cannot eat it …
AV: Good. I don't like raisin bread anyway.
Man: ... and you cannot remove it from your home or hide it from sight,
AV: Then I'm not going to take it.
Man: … or you'll go to hell.
AV: Invite him to church.

Sarah: You won't find out if this guy was telling the truth or not until you die.
AV: I already know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't need to die first.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Okay, Sarah, I'll parse this thing and tell you the first thing that goes through my mind as he's talking.

Fair enough?

Man: God sent me …
AV: Oh-oh. Charismatic here. Or Pentecostal.
Man: … to bring you this holy raisin bread.
AV: Nut.
Man: You cannot eat it …
AV: Good. I don't like raisin bread anyway.
Man: ... and you cannot remove it from your home or hide it from sight,
AV: Then I'm not going to take it.
Man: … or you'll go to hell.
AV: Invite him to church.

Sarah: You won't find out if this guy was telling the truth or not until you die.
AV: I already know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't need to die first.

Your response violates the premise, which is that you CAN'T know if the guy is lying or not. I can easily rework the scenario such that you can no longer turn to any bible verses for an answer if you want to keep being difficult about it. I hope you don't make me do that, though, because I am a lazy person at heart.

Now, treating this scenario as if you CANNOT know if this guy is telling the truth, how would you respond?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

By pretending to be God. Your antics on this forum demonstrate that you are not God, so the pretense would be your deception.

 

[AV1611VET]

By pretending to be God. Your antics on this forum demonstrate that you are not God, so the pretense would be your deception.

While I glad you acknowledge that only God can create ex nihilo, I'm saddened that you choose not to take the intellectual approach and answer the challenge.

 

[HitchSlap]

While I glad you acknowledge that only God can create ex nihilo, I'm saddened that you choose not to take the intellectual approach and answer the challenge.

And here you have it folks, an admittance that one need check their brain at the door to accept untenable religious claims.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

While I glad you acknowledge that only God can create ex nihilo, I'm saddened that you choose not to take the intellectual approach and answer the challenge.

How was my response not an answer to your poorly worded challenge?

 

[SkyWriting]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

With the white frosting you can peel off, or not?