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OldWiseGuy

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Actually the verse reads 'foundation of the world' or age, not the earth (Rev. 13:8). The lamb slain by God to hide the sins of Adam and Eve is that symbolic Christ/lamb. The 'age' referred to began with Adam and Eve, specifically their sin.
 
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Actually the verse reads 'foundation of the world' or age, not the earth (Rev. 13:8). The lamb slain by God to hide the sins of Adam and Eve is that symbolic Christ/lamb. The 'age' referred to began with Adam and Eve, specifically their sin.

The foundation of the world sure sounds like about the time it started. I think you guys are stretching.
 
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I could answer all those questions. But the short answer is I don't know. What I do think I know, might be better left for another thread.
 
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Well, since all the cool kids are hanging out in this thread, I have a few simple questions.
Uh-huh ... we'll just see how 'simple' they are, when you get responses.
Why would God, fully knowing what would happen, put a tree in the garden that Adam and Even weren't supposed to eat from?
Where should He have put it? on Mars?

That tree was there on the earth for a reason.

Probably as the place where angels came to congregate for whatever reason; and served as refreshment for them.

Thus Adam & Eve were not allowed to eat of it, as it contained fruit for the angels.
And why the serpent?
You mean dragon?

And why not the dragon?

Would you have preferred a horse or cow or something else, for Heaven knows why?
It's like putting your 3 year old kids in a room full of exposed electrical wires, telling them "don't touch the wires", and then leaving the room.
No, it's not.

Your comparison shows a severe lack in understanding who was involved.

Try, instead of 3 year old siblings, a fully-mature (remember Embedded Age? maturity without history?) man and his wife.
Neither Adam nor Eve died when they ate the fruit, why did God lie?
It's not that God lied, it's that you don't understand the tripartite nature of mankind.
Why did God create the serpent fully knowing what it would do?
Why did Lee Iacocca make cars, knowing that some would die in them?
Why did this "perfect creation" sinned the first chance they had?
You make your questions hard to answer, since you append them with ignorant verbage.

Who said they sinned the 'first chance they had'?
This was the only wrong thing they could do at the garden, and they did it almost immediately after creation.
Actually, if you think about it [for once], you would realize that, if they were going to sin, the sooner the better.

Had Eve had children before she sinned, then the earth would be in a mess, as there would have been a line of progeny born without the sin nature, and a line born with the sin nature.

But I expect ridicule is coming, so I won't bother to elucidate.
Why does God act like he didn't know what Adam and Eve had done? Didn't he know that all along?
Oh, please.

All you're doing here is using the question mark to ridicule, and it's sickening.

You're the one acting like these are innocent questions, but they're anything but...
 
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Yeh I've never understood how an omniscient & omnipotent God (two ideas which are mutually incompatible) who supposedly created all the heavens and the earth, put the tree in the garden in the first place. We know it's obvious he knows what the future holds and how events will unfold, so he must have known that the fruit would be eaten by his creation. So what's the deal?

You may not like the question AV, but these philosophical issues are the biggest things which keep me far away from Christianity.

From what I can get from Genesis, God created it all, stuck us in a garden which he knew would lead to our fall, watched as it all unfolded, then blamed us. The usual response is "but we had free will," and that's great, but is that to say God wasn't powerful enough to see it coming?

These are the big problems as I see it, all the evolution stuff is just for giggles.
 
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You may not like the question AV, but these philosophical issues are the biggest things which keep me far away from Christianity.
I don't mind the question at all.

And as I have shown in my previous post, if this keeps you 'far away from Christianity,' then may I assume you don't drive?

As I said, Lee Iacocca made cars, knowing people would die in them.
 
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I don't mind the question at all.

And as I have shown in my previous post, if this keeps you 'far away from Christianity,' then may I assume you don't drive?

As I said, Lee Iacocca made cars, knowing people would die in them.

So God is just a manufacturer. He just makes the product and then sits back to see how it turns out. He has no idea how it's going to turn out so He has to go through the process in order to see what happens. Of course, this rather flies in the face of claims for the omniscience and omnipotence of God, but not to worry. God isn't responsible. Nothing to do Him, folks, move along please.
 
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Thanks for the forewarning.
Anything and everything can be used by religious people to keep themselves believing, which ever way the wind blows
that's the way they go.
You're right -- error.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
 
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The answer to all your questions lies in what happened before Genesis One. The creation of mortal man is the beginning of the 'restitution of all things', not the beginning of the earth and universe. Restitution means to restore or repair that which was damaged or destroyed.

Consider that sin and the knowledge of evil existed prior to the creation of man. So the sin of Adam and Eve wasn't the first sin, as most suppose. God orchestrated the reinactment of the very first sin using Adam and Eve. It is the reinactment of a previous 'Paradise Lost'. It is God's plan to restore that paradise, but with different 'loved ones', that will remain ever faithful to Him. Adam and Eve had no choice in the matter, but followed the 'script' written for them by God.
 
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And in which Bible can I find that information?
 
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Please, point out the verses.

It's all in there. Here's one:

Genesis 3 reveals that evil (sin) existed (thus the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) before Eve and Adam sinned. The serpent lied to Eve, thus 'bearing false witness' existed before the 'fall'. Sin came into the human age with the fall of Adam and Eve, but originated with the fall of (the one known as) Lucifer.
 
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I just read Genesis 3, it doesn't say anything of the sort. What verse specifically are you referring to?
 
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I don't mind the question at all.

And as I have shown in my previous post, if this keeps you 'far away from Christianity,' then may I assume you don't drive?

As I said, Lee Iacocca made cars, knowing people would die in them.

I'd not thought he was so close to God to make a comparison.
I should read his biography I guess.
 
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