My Oryctolagus Challenge

[Neatz]

What do you consider to be the problem with the platypus?

I don't have a problem with them at all.

Whew! And it's a good thing, too!
I can imagine one of the funnier statements yet to be uttered in public would be,
'Sir, I have a problem with the platypus.'

(Btw, would that be the whole gang of them?
Or just the one?)
Lol...God bless you!

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks! Strange!

Paul refers to evolution as:

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

He also warns that Christians embracing evolution can end up denying the faith:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[Jimmy D]

Charles Robert Darwin, February 1809 – 19 April 1882) was an English naturalist and geologist,[4] best known for his contributions to the science of evolution. He established that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors,[5] and in a joint publication with Alfred Russel Wallace introduced his scientific theory that this branching pattern of evolution resulted from a process that he called natural selection, in which the struggle for existence has a similar effect to the artificial selection involved in selective breeding.[6]

Darwin published his theory of evolution with compelling evidence in his 1859 book On the Origin of Species, overcoming scientific rejection of earlier concepts of transmutation of species.[7][8
Charles Darwin - Wikipedia

Hopefully you can now see why "evolutionary scientists" weren't scratching their heads back in 1798.

 

[Loudmouth]

That evolutionists will find a way to fit any animal into the evolutionary scheme. Is that statement false?

How does a platypus not fit into the evolutionary scheme? It has a mixture of reptile and mammal features, exactly what the evolutionary scheme predicts.

 

[Radrook]

Hopefully you can now see why "evolutionary scientists" weren't scratching their heads back in 1798.

Yep! My mistake.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am saying that no matter how unusual the animal might be-they will always find a way to reconcile it with the evolutionary theory. The platypus seems like a good example. Why do you consider it a bad example?

It is a bad example because the platypus has a mixture of reptile and mammal features, exactly what we should see if evolution is true.

The type of animal that could not be reconciled with evolution would be an animal with a mixture of bird and mammal features, but that doesn't exist in the platypus. People try to claim that the platypus has a bill "just like the duck", but it clearly isn't. The resemblance is purely superficial. The duck bill is covered in horn while the platypus bill is covered in skin. The underlying skeletal structure is completely different:

Platypus:

Duck:

The platypus also has a cloaca, like that found in reptiles. The platypus lays leathery eggs, like reptiles do. The platypus has a simple lactation system. How in the world does this not fit into the evolutionary scheme?

 

[HitchSlap]

Why not? They haven't failed so far. Look at the platypus.

Wait until they find a crocoduck!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I did compare the Platypus to an animal that would indeed appear unusual and which evolutionists would find unusual due to its obviously unusual appearance. But I am not saying that they have difficulties fitting it in. Am I?

"I deny that I made any implication." That's a perfect reply to my post!

 

[Radrook]

"I deny that I made any implication." That's a perfect reply to my post!

Are they indeed having difficulties fitting it in?

 

[Radrook]

Paul refers to evolution as:

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

He also warns that Christians embracing evolution can end up denying the faith:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Interesting! I never considered evolution as being referred to by that scripture until now. But you are right. It does involve tracing mankind back in time via ancestors and can be understood under the general term of endless genealogies mentioned in that scripture.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting! I never considered evolution as being referred to by that scripture until now. But you are right. It does involve tracing mankind back in time via ancestors and can be understood under the general term of endless genealogies mentioned in that scripture.

Yes, indeed.

And it does anything but minister "godly edifying".

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Are they indeed having difficulties fitting it in?

Not at all.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Paul refers to evolution as:

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Without those genealogies you cannot give a date for creation. So which is it - the genealogies are to be heeded = YEC or they are not to be heeded =/= YEC?

 

[AV1611VET]

Without those genealogies you cannot give a date for creation. So which is it - the genealogies are to be heeded = YEC or they are not to be heeded =/= YEC?

AV1611VET ≠ YEC

 

[Radrook]

Not at all.

Bingo!

 

[Moral Orel]

Without those genealogies you cannot give a date for creation. So which is it - the genealogies are to be heeded = YEC or they are not to be heeded =/= YEC?

Meh, Devil's advocate time...

The verse refers to "endless genealogies". The genealogies in the Bible do have an end at Adam and Eve, so the Bible isn't referring to itself there.

Of course it doesn't apply to evolution either, as the ToE doesn't state life stretches back infinitely into the past so the verse doesn't work as intended for that reason.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Meh, Devil's advocate time...

The verse refers to "endless genealogies". The genealogies in the Bible do have an end at Adam and Eve, so the Bible isn't referring to itself there.

Most (I haven't read all of them so it could be all) commentaries believe this is Paul warning not to get bogged down in Jewish genealogies and is very much referring to OT writings.

But you're right about the failings with regard to the ToE, too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Most (I haven't read all of them so it could be all) commentaries believe this is Paul warning not to get bogged down in Jewish genealogies and is very much referring to OT writings.

Speaking of OT writings, Solomon, who had apes imported [probably] for study ...

1 Kings 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

... concluded this:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Notice he calls evolution an "invention," not a "discovery" as scientists would have us believe?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Speaking of OT writings, Solomon, who had apes imported [probably] for study ...

1 Kings 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

... concluded this:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Notice he calls evolution an "invention," not a "discovery" as scientists would have us believe?

Except he's not.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Speaking of OT writings, Solomon, who had apes imported [probably] for study ...

1 Kings 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

... concluded this:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Notice he calls evolution an "invention," not a "discovery" as scientists would have us believe?

Notice you have to quote mine and twist the Bible to make your point? Let's put that verse in context and see what we get, shall we?

27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Apparently women don't walk upright. That's quite an invention, AV.