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Why? I mean, if it's all there, all obviously laid out, how could the public education system mess that up?
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Why? I mean, if it's all there, all obviously laid out, how could the public education system mess that up?
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Why? I mean, if it's all there, all obviously laid out, how could the public education system mess that up?
Oh, I'm sure they'd find ways. Like denying a global flood, calling it a talking snake, getting the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 wrong and, dare I say, THE biggest, most unpardonable of all errors --- using the wrong text.
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AV, not everyone uses the King James...
And, as a psych student, you are deeply fascinating. I dont think I have ever seen any case of cognitive dissonance that is so deep rooted. (cognitive dissonace fascinates me) Is there any part of you that twiches when you say things like "The universe is 4.5 billion years old, but it was created 6100 years ago"? How did you come to belive such oxymorons as "maturity without history"? Because I honestly cannot get my head around the concept. Its like rejecting something deeply fundamental in us, and embracing something that shouldnt, and maybe doesnt, make any sense at all.
And, as a psych student, you are deeply fascinating. I dont think I have ever seen any case of cognitive dissonance that is so deep rooted. (cognitive dissonace fascinates me) Is there any part of you that twiches when you say things like "The universe is 4.5 billion years old, but it was created 6100 years ago"? How did you come to belive such oxymorons as "maturity without history"? Because I honestly cannot get my head around the concept. Its like rejecting something deeply fundamental in us, and embracing something that shouldnt, and maybe doesnt, make any sense at all.
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Now that I understand how you have one foot in a religious beliefs for a 6100 year creation and your other foot standing in the science that describes a 14 Billion year old universe, how does that same process work for a Biblical Flood? Or does it?
Science is not able to find any evidence what so ever for a Biblical Flood. As far as science is concerned, it never happened. But the Bible said it happened. Based on the Bible you also say a Biblical flood happened.
You argue Omphalos as the means that narrows and even closes the gap between two opposing dichotomies where science describes an old universe and the Bible describes a young universe. So Im wondering why your not able to do the same with the Biblical Flood? Or are you.
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And all of that to cling to a particular, overly literal, reading of Scripture. I think a degree of pride and stubbornness comes into play at some point.
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Cognitive Dissonance, or "known anxiety," occurs when someone buys a product, and by the time he gets it home (or shortly thereafter), is having doubts (anxiety) about the purchase.
That's why manufacturers put that paragraph right in the front of the owner's manual that says something to the effect:
- Thank you for buying this washer. It was built to give you years of maintenance-free service and, rest assured, you have made a great choice. We're sure you'll enjoy this product for many years to come.
- WOW! I could have had a V8!
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It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar, Domenico to ascertain this.
- According to the Bible, the earth has been in existence only 6100 years and, in fact, predates the sun, moon, and stars.
- According to science, the earth is 4.57 billion years old.
Now, Domenico, you take it from here and let's see how you would do so.
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I'll answer the Flood question, but first, let me say this. I do not argue Omphalos. I have been accused of being Omphalos, and it upsets me very much.
The Bible does not describe a young universe.
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Yes, a global flood occurred. Science cannot find evidence for it because God cleaned it up. You don't flood the entire earth to a depth of 15 cubits above the highest mountain*, then drop back and let nature take its course. Nature couldn't have reversed the effect of the Flood if she had wanted to. Thus, the only conclusion is that God cleaned up the mess, Himself.
* I have reason to believe that these mountains were much higher back then than our highest mountains today. Possibly 50,000 feet high, but that's another story.
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Jesus interpreted the Scriptures literally, and so do we. You're going to have to drop using a literal interpretation as an ad hominem. It doesn't work.
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Is what Biblical? That God cleaned it up?
No --- it is not documented as such; but look at it this way. Who is the only one who had the ability to do so?
Noah? Satan? Demons? Angels?
You think God just sat there and watched them clean the water up against His will?
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Why would God even need to clean up after causing a Global Flood?
I'm not wanting to be rude, really I'm not...but your suggestion that God cleaned up after the flood that He caused to happen and with out that clean up being documented in the Bible, just seems to me to be completely out there in the land of make believe.
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The only way to reconcole those statments is to say that yes, the universe has existed for 4.5 billion years, and thus it must have existed for 6100 years, plus 4.49 billion odd years as well. While it doesnt take a Rhodes Scholar to realise that the bible and science say different things, Im fairly sure no Rhodes Scholar would ever claim that they are actually the same.
Oh, and cognitive dissonance is far more than just buying the wrong drink. It can lead to violence as one seeks to destroy the anxiety with actions that, conversely, only serve to make the anxiety more entrenched.
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This is a good example of a Bible Literalist interpreting scripture. They do it all the time, while simultaneously claiming it is wrong to interpret scripture.
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For safety and sanitary reasons.
Why? I'm not following your logic here. Just how large do you want the Bible to be anyway? Besides, He gave us just what He wanted us to have. Nothing more, nothing less.
[bible]Deuteronomy 29:29[/bible]
History books today are just like that. The Chicago Fire, the San Francisco earthquake, the Galveston Flood, et.al. Who cleaned those up? If it's not documented, is the story "completely out there in the land of make believe"?
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