My New Apple Challenge

[Split Rock]

I create two apples ex nihilo. I create one with two months of embedded age and the other with none. They are both fully mature and ripe. They are both unblemished and perfect looking... and identical. They both feel, smell and taste the same. Now.... can you tell me which one has the embedded age and which does not? You cannot use any instruments to determine age... just your senses.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now.... can you tell me which one has the embedded age and which does not?

No.

Since you gave them both {maturity without history}, I will have to rely on your documentation to know which is which.

If you provide none, then my senses are too myopic to do the job.

 

[JustMeSee]

I create two apples ex nihilo. I create one with two months of embedded age and the other with none. They are both fully mature and ripe. They are both unblemished and perfect looking... and identical. They both feel, smell and taste the same. Now.... can you tell me which one has the embedded age and which does not? You cannot use any instruments to determine age... just your senses.

Bold words.

I would assume they were both naturally mature and the same age.

 

[CabVet]

Since you gave them both {maturity without history}, I will have to rely on your documentation to know which is which.

That is wrong. According to the OP, he gave "maturity" (two months of embedded age) to only one. The other one was simply created mature, but it had no age.

As for telling them apart, no, one cannot.

 

[Split Rock]

No.

Since you gave them both {maturity without history}, I will have to rely on your documentation to know which is which.

If you provide none, then my senses are too myopic to do the job.

That is wrong. According to the OP, he gave "maturity" (two months of embedded age) to only one. The other one was simply created mature, but it had no age.

As for telling them apart, no, one cannot.

So this begs the question.... what good does it do to "embed" age into the one apple? What does embedding age into an apple do for it?

 

[Split Rock]

Bold words.

I would assume they were both naturally mature and the same age.

This is a theoretical example. They are as "perfect" as possible. The point is there are no marks, disease, predation, deficiencies, etc.

 

[CabVet]

So this begs the question.... what good does it do to "embed" age into the one apple? What does embedding age into an apple do for it?

Only one thing, it makes you dishonest. If you say you created an apple today but embed 2 months of age in it, you are at the very least misleading those that study the apple into concluding that it is older than what it actually is.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is wrong. According to the OP, he gave "maturity" (two months of embedded age) to only one.

QV please:

They are both fully mature and ripe.

Both are mature, and neither have a history.

The other one was simply created mature, but it had no age.

Then what he is doing is disassociating the term from its definition.

Embedded Age = maturity without history.

Saying one created two things, both with {maturity without history} and only one with embedded age is like saying I created two people, Joe and Mr. Smith; then asking Joe Smith's friends which one is Joe Smith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you asking me this?

So this begs the question.... what good does it do to "embed" age into the one apple? What does embedding age into an apple do for it?

For one thing, it makes it ready to eat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Only one thing, it makes you dishonest.

WOW ... I couldn't disagree more.

Are you saying an honest person can't [hypothetically] create an apple with embedded age in it, else that would automatically make him dishonest?

Have you seen my raisin bread challenge?

 

[Subduction Zone]

QV please:

Both are mature, and neither have a history.

Then what he is doing is disassociating the term from its definition.

Embedded Age = maturity without history.

Saying one created two things, both with {maturity without history} and only one with embedded age is like saying I created two people, Joe and Mr. Smith; then asking Joe Smith's friends which one is Joe Smith.

So now you are saying that the Earth is 4.55 Billion years old since it has a history, it does not have an "embedded age". According to your nonlogic.

 

[AV1611VET]

So now you are saying that the Earth is 4.55 Billion years old since it has a history,

Where did I say that, please?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where did I say that, please?

Did you or did you not say that an embedded age is not a history?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you or did you not say that an embedded age is not a history?

Not in those exact words, but yes, embedded age is maturity without history.

Would you please answer my previous question?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not in those exact words, but yes, embedded age is maturity without history.

Would you please answer my previous question?

I am getting there. Even you should know that you are not the most honest person on the block and we have to nail down some of your statements.

So if the Earth had a written history that showed it to be 4.55 Billion years old you would agree that that is not an "embedded age", right?

 

[AV1611VET]

I am getting there.

Please hurry.

I'm getting the impression some of you are trying to Bugs-Bunny me into making a mistake, so you can claim I'm either lying or confused.

Even you should know that you are not the most honest person on the block and we have to nail down some of your statements.

That's a provocative statement, Zone; especially since I try my hardest to answer as best I can.

So if the Earth had a written history that showed it to be 4.55 Billion years old you would agree that that is not an "embedded age", right?

Seeing as embedded age is 'without history,' what do you think I would say?

 

[CabVet]

QV please:

Both are mature, and neither have a history.

Wrong, if the OP embedded the age, one has a history of being in existence for 2 months. That is what age means.

Then what he is doing is disassociating the term from its definition.

No, that is what you are doing.

Embedded Age = maturity without history.

Anasema wewe.

Saying one created two things, both with {maturity without history} and only one with embedded age is like saying I created two people, Joe and Mr. Smith; then asking Joe Smith's friends which one is Joe Smith.

Why? He didn't embed age in one, but did in the other. Since you are accusing the OP of redefining age, let's go back to that, shall we? Here is the definition:

age
/āj/
Noun
The length of time that a person has lived or a thing has existed: "he died at the age of 51".
Verb
Grow old or older, esp. visibly and obviously so: "you haven't aged a lot".

And my personal favorite, from Merriam-Webster: the length of an existence extending from the beginning to any given time

Now, who is redefining what by saying that the earth is 4.57 billion years old but has only existed for 6,000 years (and you have yet to respond me why the 4.57 billion since you reject everything used to come up with that number).

 

[CabVet]

Seeing as embedded age is 'without history,' what do you think I would say?

To put it simply, there is no age without history.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please hurry.

You can't rush a proper education.

I'm getting the impression some of you are trying to Bugs-Bunny me into making a mistake, so you can claim I'm either lying or confused.

You already made the mistake.

That's a provocative statement, Zone; especially since I try my hardest to answer as best I can.

Try harder.

Seeing as embedded age is 'without history,' what do you think I would say?

Nope, I am not going to put words into your mouth. You would try to use that as an excuse. Please answer the question in your own words, fully and honestly.

 

[Belk]

I create two apples ex nihilo. I create one with two months of embedded age and the other with none. They are both fully mature and ripe. They are both unblemished and perfect looking... and identical. They both feel, smell and taste the same. Now.... can you tell me which one has the embedded age and which does not? You cannot use any instruments to determine age... just your senses.

Heck, even using instruments to determine age you would not be able to tell them apart since to determine age we measure somethings history.