My Million Dollar Question

[Goat Guy]

This image is challenging and parts of it are not comprehensible at this point in history. Those that want to contribute to this thread should understand this going into it and try their best to follow me (even though it might sound crazy!).

Image: An event takes place that causes humanity to successfully explain how we came into existence, and it does not involve the Christian God. There is 100% undeniable scientific evidence that we exist in some other way (aliens coming to Earth and creating us, scientific discovery, some other incomprehendable event, etc.). What is the Christian Church's response?

I've wrestled with this thought for years. If any aspect of this image needs to be explained further, I'd be happy to do my best.

 

[RC1970]

We would have to abandon all science as it would prove to be 100% deniable.

 

[Darkhorse]

Who created the aliens?

Who created the matter / energy from which we were fashioned?

Who created the scientific principles which make scientific events possible?

 

[RC1970]

The problem with your question is that it is not possible for humans to have undeniable proof. To have undeniable proof, you would have to have absolute certainty, which only God has. So, this scenario would be fraught with several potential fallacies. Some of which were noted by the previous post.

 

[Goat Guy]

We would have to abandon all science as it would prove to be 100% deniable.

You aren't interpreting my image correctly. It isn't specifically science-based. The proof presented to us in this image is 100% undeniable; create whatever scenario you'd like or if you don't need a "scenario" to make this image make sense (like myself), pose the image in a way where you don't need a specific explanation of an event to make it a valuable mental exercise.

 

[Goat Guy]

Who created the aliens?

Who created the matter / energy from which we were fashioned?

Who created the scientific principles which make scientific events possible?

Just no.

You're missing the point of my image. View my post above.

For some reason it seems nearly impossible to even introduce a hypothetical situation, let alone try to paint a picture of a potentially fictional event.

The mental image I'm attempting to illustrate does not involve proof, explanation, etc. I'm simply asking Christians what they would think if 100% undeniable evidence was presented to them them that God does not exist.

 

[Goat Guy]

Literally no responses. Don't allow me to think it's a super good question

 

[RC1970]

If you were absolutely convinced that God does not exist then eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die. This is pretty much what most of the world is doing right now.

 

[Darkhorse]

(oops, I didn't see the recent posts - back later)

 

[Goat Guy]

If you were absolutely convinced that God does not exist then eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die. This is pretty much what most of the world is doing right now.

I'm not saying I'm absolutely convinced... you're avoiding my question entirely. Answer my question and then I will provide a response.

 

[Goat Guy]

(oops, I didn't see the recent posts - back later)

What?

This is an image, I'm trying to communicate that there is a hypothetical scenario where we simply cannot deny that the facts provided are completely true. Picking at my rhetoric or misspelling won't answer this question or solve my faith-based wrestle.

 

[RC1970]

Your question: What is the Christian Church's response?

Answer: The church would say: Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

 

[Goat Guy]

Your question: What is the Christian Church's response?

Answer: The church would say: Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

So the Church would willingly cease to exist? The Church would basically tell it's followers that "we're done, do whatever the heck you want" and just drop out of it's own existence?

 

[Goat Guy]

So the Church would willingly cease to exist? The Church would basically tell it's followers that "we're done, do whatever the heck you want" and just drop out of it's own existence?

Why believe in such a thing... an idea that admits defeat.

 

[RC1970]

So the Church would willingly cease to exist? The Church would basically tell it's followers that "we're done, do whatever the heck you want" and just drop out of it's own existence?

Correct. Without faith, you are doomed.

 

[Goat Guy]

Why believe in such a thing... an idea that admits defeat.

Why force myself to believe in something like that?

 

[Goat Guy]

Correct. Without faith, you are doomed.

Doomed to what? According to my image you have responded to, there is no doom. Why follow something that simply gives up as you've posed?

 

[RC1970]

Doomed to what? According to my image you have responded to, there is no doom. Why follow something that simply gives up as you've posed?

Well, as your scenario goes, they no longer believe. So, if no one is left to believe, the church dies due to lack of belief.

 

[Goat Guy]

Well, as your scenario goes, they no longer believe. So, if no one is left to believe, the church dies due to lack of belief.

Not correct. My scenario posed that there was undeniable proof that the Christian God does not exist. Are you certain that the entire faith would cease to exist? I don't.

 

[Goat Guy]

Not correct. My scenario posed that there was undeniable proof that the Christian God does not exist. Are you certain that the entire faith would cease to exist? I don't.

I imagine a Christian following that still clings to their beliefs.