My LP Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Yes, there are some flaws with the second option (such as ongoing civilizations in Egypt and China, among others),

Egypt came from Mizraim, Noah's grandson.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

China came from Noah's great grandson.

Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

 

[Yttrium]

Egypt came from Mizraim, Noah's grandson.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

China came from Noah's great grandson.

Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

Hmm. So are you saying all our evidence from ancient Egyptian and Chinese civilizations were from after the flood? Or were the civilizations prior to the flood so much like the ones after the flood that we can't tell the difference?

 

[AV1611VET]

Hmm. So are you saying all our evidence from ancient Egyptian and Chinese civilizations were from after the flood?

Correct.

I don't put much stock in grave robbers (paleoarchaeologists).

They claim the Jews were never in Egypt, and the Exodus was a myth.

So their particular brand of science can go to ... well ... aitch.

 

[Yttrium]

Correct.

I don't put much stock in grave robbers (paleoarchaeologists).

They claim the Jews were never in Egypt, and the Exodus was a myth.

So their particular brand of science can go to ... well ... aitch.

I see.

Oh, paleoarchaeology. I wasn't familiar with that term. That and YEC would be mutually exclusive by definition, wouldn't they? Bummer.

 

[AV1611VET]

That and YEC would be mutually exclusive by definition, wouldn't they? Bummer.

Yes.

Paleoarchaeology does the Devil's wok.

YEC does God's work -- albeit somewhat inaccurately.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

So?

God renewed the Earth, and when new plants sprung up they had thorns.

This isn't rocket science.

You're making this analogy harder than it was intended, and it's backfiring on you.Now you're just be facetious.

Have a nice day.

It's tough when somebody finds fault with your challenge, isn't it? Your best resort is to pretend the faults aren't faults and run away.

Just like you did there.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's tough when somebody finds fault with your challenge, isn't it?

I wouldn't know.

Your best resort is to pretend the faults aren't faults and run away.

What faults? I look for answers ... usually a YES or a NO. And I usually get neither.

Just like you did there.

Where?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Actually we are 'swapping out parts' in a sense as new tissue replaces old over time. If we maintain the new tissue in good health over time it may change us genetically for the better.

That's not how genetics works.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's not how genetics works.

Sorry, I meant epigenetics.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Sorry, I meant epigenetics.

I still don't see how that would work, or what you mean by 'genetically better' in this context - can you explain?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I still don't see how that would work, or what you mean by 'genetically better' in this context - can you explain?

I'm assuming that epigenetics is part of genetics.

What is epigenetics?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm assuming that epigenetics is part of genetics.

What is epigenetics?

It's a mechanism by which gene expression can be modified.

But my question is what did you mean by, "If we maintain the new tissue in good health over time it may change us genetically for the better." I'm curious to know how you think that would work, and what you mean by 'genetically better' in this context.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's a mechanism by which gene expression can be modified.

But my question is what did you mean by, "If we maintain the new tissue in good health over time it may change us genetically for the better." I'm curious to know how you think that would work, and what you mean by 'genetically better' in this context.

I read that gene expression is heritable. If so then good health, attained by lifestyle changes, can be passed down.

 

[jayem]

You buy an LP and bring it home and play it on your phonograph.*

It's in pristine condition, but you accidentally scratch it with the phonograph** needle.

Now every time you play it, it sounds like it's been scratched or something.

Later, the LP is restored so brilliantly, it is better than when you bought it.

Bill looks at it and says it was never scratched in the first place.

Here's my challenge:

Is Bill wrong?

* record player to baby boomers

** victrola to the silent generation

Given that all Bill has is your word, he is totally justified in being skeptical. And it would be perfectly rational--if he was so inclined--to ask for evidence that would confirm your story. Since he knows you have told tales in the past where convincing evidence is lacking, he could demand a high standard of proof. Like a direct, face-to-face, meeting with the restorer. He will bring his own scratched LP and ask to see a demonstration. He will want to know the exact mechanism by which the record will be repaired. And then he will observe the restoration process in real time, while taking photos for further documentation. Then he will closely inspect and test the finished product to ensure the work was performed as you've claimed. If this level of evidence isn't available, then Bill is correct in doubting you.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I read that gene expression is heritable. If so then good health, attained by lifestyle changes, can be passed down.

Nope. Some epigenetic changes are heritable, but the 'if so' is a non-sequitur.

Unless you some understanding of how these things work, such speculation is ill-advised and almost certain to be wrong.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Nope. Some epigenetic changes are heritable, but the 'if so' is a non-sequitur.

So this is wrong? Many sites expressing the same idea.

Lifestyle Choices Can Change Your Genes

 

[AV1611VET]

Then he will closely inspect and test the finished product to ensure the work was performed as you've claimed. If this level of evidence isn't available, then Bill is correct in doubting you.

Fine -- Bill is skeptical.

I would be too.

But if Bill says NO, Bill is wrong, isn't he?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So this is wrong? Many sites expressing the same idea.

Lifestyle Choices Can Change Your Genes

That lifestyle choices can affect epigenetics doesn't mean good health is heritable.