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I have to admit, you take socialism to the extreme.
No, they are only suffering from the "disease" of being pregnant for nine months (not a long time in comparison to most medical diagnoses). It is acute and completely curable and an easily preventable condition. It is something she actively participated in risky behavior to acquire. To take a kidney from some stranger who never even met the little girl is not the same as the woman who actively chose to engaged in the behavior that caused the pregnancy.
Sally is dying because of a defective kidney ( and some strange adversion to getting dialysis treatments ). She isn't dying because some stranger isn't willing to give up his good health to give her a chance at semi-good health (no guarantee that the transplant will take). He potentially has the ability to improve her life ( assuming that a transplant will do that ) but that is not the same as causing her to die. By your standard that not giving is the same as killing, if we aren't donating blood every 8 weeks, we are potentially killing people on a daily basis....(blood donation is totally safe for the donor and it does save lives daily)....or if I have two apples and keep two apples while some child on the other side of town has none, I am at fault for his death of malnutrition.
Oh, you never said LEGALLY....okay 38 states have laws protecting the rights of fetuses and 23 of them include gestational stages as early as conception. So in these states, fetuses are recognized as human people.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Ironically, the mother is the only one allowed to legally kill an unborn child and not call it some sort of manslaughter or murder....
I would say NOT when that "right" could cost someone else their life.You seem to insist on misunderstanding the point of my analogy, which is that people have the right to do with their own bodies what they will.
"Legal" means nothing on the moral scale. Say by some quirk, it could become legal to garrote someone to death. Just because it is legal does that mean that it is not murder?e pregnancy ends because the mother consents to a legal medical procedure.
"Legal" means nothing on the moral scale. Say by some quirk, it could become legal to garrote someone to death. Just because it is legal does that mean that it is not murder?
There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die.
Do I have the right to force you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?
I would say NOT when that "right" could cost someone else their life.
Did I cause the situation in which she needs a kidney?
Nothing ironic or hard to understand. In one case, the pregnancy ends because the mother consents to a legal medical procedure. In the other, the pregnancy ends because she's assaulted against her will. Consent makes all the difference.
And if the life is lost because someone refuses to be an organ donor, is that okay?
Except that doesn't work, does it?
Would you like a list of all the people who have died after refusing treatment and praying for recovery instead? It will be a very long list because it just doesn't work.
Not really.And if the life is lost because someone refuses to be an organ donor, is that okay?
Oh, so you should only help if you are responsible? That's lovely, that is.
it works for me; i was diagnosed with terminal cancer 18 years ago, with a prognosis of 6 months to death; the doctors told me that there was no effective treatment for the cancer i had; it wasn't the 'miracle' of modern medicine that helped me. it took me two years to learn how to receive healing from God, and i haven't been treated by doctors for 16 years now. and i'm not the only one; God's word heals. how long is the list of people that the medical industry couldn't help? doctors aren't inherently evil; many many Christians wouldn't have lived long enough to learn how to receive healing from God if it hadn't been for doctors - but all they can do is address symptoms; they can't heal. and don't tell me you haven't received healing from God - have you ever cut your finger? dd it heal?
first, you need to understand God's system of delegated authority:
Gen 1:26 KJV
(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
'let them have dominion...over all the earth'
Psa 115:16 KJV
(16) The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
God gave unconditional authority over the earth to people in flesh bodies; this delegation of authority was without condition. God still has ultimate control, but He has limited Himself in the earth by this delegation of authority to people in flesh bodies - He can't operate independently in the earth - He must work through people - and people are flawed by their own selfishness. all the bad things that happen in the earth are because people in flesh bodies have dominion over the earth, and have free will.
let's say i deposited $1 million in a bank account with your name on it, sent you a letter telling you how to draw it out, and gave you my cell phone number so you could call me when you need help following the instructions in my letter. at the time i put the money in a bank account with your name on it, i would have already given you $1 million; but it wouldn't do you any good if you never drew it out. if you didn't read my letter, or read it but didn't believe it, or read and believed it but didn't ask me for clarification - you could die a pauper with $1 million in the bank - even though i had already given the money to you...
If you can survive without it, I wouldn't exactly cal it "vital". Sure it impacts on your life, but hey, so does pregnancy.
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