My Jesus Challenge

[joshua 1 9]

I don't believe Joseph Smith; so your point is dull.

I do not know if I believe him or not because I do not understand what he is saying. Some of it is interesting though. A little bit different of a perspective. Like the teaching of marriage in Heaven when Jesus teaches that there is no marriage in Heaven.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not all are Sons of God,

That is correct.

We are sons of God by way of adoption into God's family.

 

[dlamberth]

If we're all sons of God, should scientists intuitively agree with your Sacred Manuscript of Nature?

I don't know what Scientist should do in that regard. It's not my place to dictate that. But I do know that some do agree with the image of the Sacred Manuscript of Nature.

For Wisdom, Nature has way more to offer than does your Bible. Don't forget that we Human Beings are a a part of Nature, we are not separate from it. So that includes us. So Nature has a vast and I'd say even an infinite expanse and depth of expression. When the Light of God is seen with in it Shining out, that expanse of expression stretches out even more.

Scientist are opening the window into the Wisdom that Nature, which includes Life, has to offer.

 

[dlamberth]

We are sons of God by way of adoption in God's family.

I'd say that we are all Son's of God because we are ALL God breathed. And the world would be way better off if we would see the Divine in others and treat them as such. God is not exclusionary. Christians are...but not God.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not know if I believe him or not because I do not understand what he is saying.

You don't have to understand it.

Once he claimed he was a prophet, that sealed his reputation.

Bible believers [should] know that anyone claiming to be a prophet after AD 96, when the Scriptures were completed, is a false prophet.

Christians paid for their lives believing Mohammad was a false prophet.

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientist are opening the window into the Wisdom that Nature, which includes Life, has to offer.

And I'm sure ... after they go over "Nature, which includes Life" with a fine-toothed microscope ... they would disagree with you.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There are all sorts of Biblical claims

Nice try, but another swing and a miss. We are not talking about "Biblical claims" we are talking about the Bible. People make all sorts of claims. The question is what does the Bible say.

This does present a problem because we do not want to allow modern Science to influence our interpretation of the Bible. So we go back to books that were written before Modern Science. Bishop Usshers book is a good example of this. People say he was YEC and he was. Yet no where does modern Science contradict Bishop Usshers book written around 500 years ago. Gerald Schroeder is OEC and he uses Nachmanides teachings from around 800 years ago. So no one can claim that he was influenced by modern Science. There are rules we use for proper Bible interpretation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd say that we are all Son's of God because we are ALL God breathed. And the world would be way better off if we would see the Divine in others and treat them as such.

Including Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, and Charles Darwin?

 

[dlamberth]

And I'm sure ... after they go over "Nature, which includes Life" with a fine-toothed microscope ... they would disagree with you.

I completely and totally disagree with you!
I love reading about science and nature. And they are all the time finding Wisdom in the ways of Nature.

 

[dlamberth]

Including Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, and Charles Darwin?

You included Charles Darwain in that list?!? That's funny.

But if a person knows how to see the Divine around them they would know how to see even in Hitler and Manson the Divine buried in their Souls.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Once he claimed he was a prophet, that sealed his reputation.

Today we have the gift of prophecy but that is different from the prophets they had under the Old Testament or the Old Covenant.

 

[AV1611VET]

You included Charles Darwain in that list?!? That's funny.

Didn't he write, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life?

And didn't his successor write, My Struggle?

But if a person knows how to see the Divine around them they would know how to see even in Hitler and Manson the Divine buried in their Souls.

I guess Klebold & Harris were good at releasing their fellow students' divine natures back into the void too, weren't they?

 

[AV1611VET]

Today we have the gift of prophecy but that is different from the prophets they had under the Old Testament or the Old Covenant.

That is correct.

Old Testament prophets foretold; New Testament prophets forth-tell [the Bible].

We call them "preachers."

 

[joshua 1 9]

And I'm sure ... after they go over "Nature, which includes Life" with a fine-toothed microscope ... they would disagree with you.

Science will never be able to tell us what "life" is.

The world itself could not contain the books that could be written: "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." John 21:25

 

[dlamberth]

Science will never be able to tell us what "life" is.

That doesn't matter one bit. What matters is what Science can teach us.

 

[joshua 1 9]

But if a person knows how to see the Divine around them they would know how to see even in Hitler and Manson the Divine buried in their Souls.

God uses everyone and everything to accomplish His purpose. In everything we are to give thanks. Because all things work together for good for them that love God and are called according to His purpose.

 

[dlamberth]

I guess Klebold & Harris were good at releasing their fellow students' divine natures back into the void too, weren't they?

I think we're getting somewhere. Your acknowledging the Divine nature in Human Beings.

 

[dlamberth]

God uses everyone and everything to accomplish His purpose. In everything we are to give thanks. Because all things work together for good for them that love God and are called according to His purpose.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to move closer to God and to actually "see" God in all of that in a way where God IS one's reality.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That doesn't matter one bit. What matters is what Science can teach us.

Teachers teach, science can only be studied and learned. My sister was a teacher most of her life and she would say that she was one chapter ahead of her class. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:20

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is correct.

Old Testament prophets foretold; New Testament prophets forth-tell [the Bible].

We call them "preachers."

The ministry gifts are five fold: "11 And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for works of ministry, to build up the body of Christ" Ephesians 4

Some people believe a five fold preacher has all five of the ministry gifts.