My Igneous Challenge

[AV1611VET]

And you have yet to show any difference at all.

I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink.

If you don't know the difference between {instant maturity without history} and {instant maturity with history}, then how can I show you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Embedded age is "maturity without history."

it's also time without history -- ergo, Last Thursdayism.

 

[TLK Valentine]

A simple formula is hard to understand?

Now that we've cleared up matters, it's not the forumla that's hard to understand... it's the need for the formula.

Of course, I now see that you consider the formula necessary because we're coming at this from two different directions: I've been starting with evidence heading towards a conclusion; you've been starting at your conclusion and heading towards the evidence with it.

Your approach needs "the formula"; mine doesn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

it's also time without history -- ergo, Last Thursdayism.

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your approach needs "the formula"; mine doesn't.

It doesn't dismiss the fact that you got my formula wrong.

You don't have to agree with it, but at least get it right when using it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It doesn't dismiss the fact that you got my formula wrong.

You don't have to agree with it, but at least get it right when using it.

Physical age - (made up) existential age = (made up) embedded age.

Feel better?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No.

So you didn't create time without history? Do tell...

 

[AV1611VET]

Physical age - (made up) existential age = (made up) embedded age.

Feel better?

No.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Then show me you understand it.

You're entitled to your opinion.
But as long as you demonstrate you don't understand it, I'm not going to take you seriously.


He didn't.

Embedded age is "maturity without history."

What you described is Omphalism or Last Thursdayism.

(sigh)

If I fail to understand the difference between your view and Ophalism, perhaps it is because, regardless of any alledged differences between those similar views, I reject them. I'm not asking for respect. I'm simply informing you. The universe is actually 13.7 billion years old, and every one of those years actually passed by in this universe. Of course, one could argue they weren't really years until the earth formed over 4 billion years ago, but the earth has actually accomplished over 4 billion real complete orbits around the sun.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I fail to understand the difference between your view and Ophalism,

I'm not faulting you for that.

Just don't tell me it's easy to understand and expect me to believe you.

It sounds like some people want their cake and eat it too.

So they claim they understand it, so as to add validity to their denial.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink.

If you don't know the difference between {instant maturity without history} and {instant maturity with history}, then how can I show you?

The problem is that you want people to Drink the Kool-Ade. And sorry, but they are both the same. How is your Last Tuesdayism different from regular Last Tuesdayism? They both have the same amount of history and maturity. Perhaps your problem is that you don't understand what Last Tuesdayism is.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem is that you want people to Drink the Kool-Ade.

Oh, now that's just cute on eight diffent levels of cute.

For the record, it was Flavor Aid.

And what is Kool Ade anyway?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, now that's just cute on eight diffent levels of cute.

For the record, it was Flavor Aid.

And what is Kool Ade anyway?

I know that it was Flavor Aid, they were too cheap to spend the tiny amount more for the good stuff. But the saying is "Drink the Kool-Ade and it does not matter how many times you point out that they really drank Flavor Aid that will never become the saying. And Kool-Ade is how the word should be spelled since it mimics other "Ade's".

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm not faulting you for that.

Just don't tell me it's easy to understand and expect me to believe you.

It sounds like some people want their cake and eat it too.

So they claim they understand it, so as to add validity to their denial.

You're deluding yourself -- what's so difficult to understand about that?

 

[RickG]

You find an igneous rock that dates to the year 10,484,570 BC.

Question: How old was the magma or lava that formed it?

Okay AV, I'm joining in late on this one, but here is the correct answer. "One cannot date magma or lava.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay AV, I'm joining in late on this one, but here is the correct answer. "One cannot date magma or lava.

Okay.

Thank you, Rick.

 

[RickG]

Are you insinuating that the parables that Jesus told weren't real events He witnessed?

Absolutely!
Definition: A simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Synonyms: allegory, moral story/tale, fable, exemplum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Definition: A simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Either that, or a real story told with spiritual overtones.

 

[RickG]

Either that, or a real story told with spiritual overtones.

Guess that's a good question to ask Jesus when you get to heaven. Don't be shy, he's the one sitting at the right hand of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Guess that's a good question to ask Jesus when you get to heaven. Don't be shy, he's the one sitting at the right hand of God.

Trivia: When is only time you see Jesus standing at the right hand of God?