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My husband is boring?

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Well I guess it's more the fact that he is not engaged and he offers no input into the planning that is so frustrating-as akmom said. In the original post I was just giving the only examples of trips that we have attempted together. When we have time off together, which is rare, he usually opts for watching tv. This weekend we both have four days off together. This will be the last time we have this much time off together for a while. Therefore, I suggested maybe we could go on a short weekend trip to a neighboring city and just stay in a hotel and pick one activity to do together as a family. He said "sure". I asked what he thought would be fun. He responded, "I don't know. Whatever you want to do". I gave some suggestions of things I thought would be fun- swimming, going to some type of kid friendly spot (aquarium, zoo, etc) since we will have our children with us. He again said something to the effect of, "whatever you want to do is fine". Which equates to- I plan everything and then he comes along and complains about the price and/or nature of the activity chosen, or as often is the case I just give up and don't plan anything and I spend the weekend cleaning and watching kids while he watches tv. I wasn't saying that he is horrible-I just don't know how else to approach this besides just planning my own trips without him.

I read the bolded part above and immediately saw my brother-in-law. He does that to my wife's sister all the time. Never does anything that he could be "blamed" for if it isn't good, and makes sure to "blame" her for whatever she chooses. It is an emotionally destructive habit to any relationship, but particularly a marriage.

Yeah, you need to call him on it. Tell him you'll plan the activity, but since he chooses to not help select then he has no right to complain, and must go along and be pleasant. If he steps outside that boundary, remind him of it. Be consistent but pleasant and respectful in doing so. Otherwise he will just keep squashing your desires and willingness to try new things.
 
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I read the bolded part above and immediately saw my brother-in-law. He does that to my wife's sister all the time. Never does anything that he could be "blamed" for if it isn't good, and makes sure to "blame" her for whatever she chooses. It is an emotionally destructive habit to any relationship, but particularly a marriage.

Yeah, you need to call him on it. Tell him you'll plan the activity, but since he chooses to not help select then he has no right to complain, and must go along and be pleasant. If he steps outside that boundary, remind him of it. Be consistent but pleasant and respectful in doing so. Otherwise he will just keep squashing your desires and willingness to try new things.

I think that's great advice (and also great insight).
 
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I may be missing something, as I scan-read after the first page, but I can relate.
My husband is an introvert, trips, big-crowds, planning an event, these are NOT his strengths.
I plan 99% of out outings, and he is rarely every what I would consider 'excited' about it.
He's happy to go along with it (generally) but he's also just as happy to stay home.

I wouldn't call him boring, he just is not an outing-type guy, and honestly, I don't mind.
I'm an extrovert, I love events and going out, so I'm just happy that he shrugs and says: "Sure, we can do that." instead of fighting against it, and me.

~ Niffer
 
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Valley Gal and akmom...yes!!!! exactly!!! that is exactly how I feel! Yes Valley Gal he is like that with pretty much everything. However, we did go on our trip and it was fun. I was exhausted afterward, but me and the kids had fun and he seemed to have fun as well.

When you say he's pretty much like that with everything.....are you saying he is generally disengaged? That he doesn't offer opinions or seem engaged in discussions?
 
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Tell him you want do go somewhere new and exciting with him before you become dissatisfied in the marriage and feel compelled to look elsewhere for fulfillment.

Its good to keep some things apart...honestly i have sympathy for your husband there is only so much i can talk to a women about and after 30 seconds im bored silly

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Well I guess it's more the fact that he is not engaged and he offers no input into the planning that is so frustrating-as akmom said. In the original post I was just giving the only examples of trips that we have attempted together. When we have time off together, which is rare, he usually opts for watching tv. This weekend we both have four days off together. This will be the last time we have this much time off together for a while. Therefore, I suggested maybe we could go on a short weekend trip to a neighboring city and just stay in a hotel and pick one activity to do together as a family. He said "sure". I asked what he thought would be fun. He responded, "I don't know. Whatever you want to do". I gave some suggestions of things I thought would be fun- swimming, going to some type of kid friendly spot (aquarium, zoo, etc) since we will have our children with us. He again said something to the effect of, "whatever you want to do is fine". Which equates to- I plan everything and then he comes along and complains about the price and/or nature of the activity chosen, or as often is the case I just give up and don't plan anything and I spend the weekend cleaning and watching kids while he watches tv. I wasn't saying that he is horrible-I just don't know how else to approach this besides just planning my own trips without him.


I love my husband more than anybody in the whole world, I really do. But if we're going on a vacation, it's because I brought it up, suggested a location, booked it, planned it, and we went. He is a great and amazing man who does a lot of things well, but planning a vacation (while he could do it and probably do it well if he had to) is just not his thing at all. Of all the vacations we've ever taken, I was in charge of booking, making plans, buying tickets, getting the hotels, finding the flights, and reminding him what days to get off. It has absolutely nothing to do with me, with us, with our family, or anything other than he doesn't like the pressure of planning vacations for us because he feels I know more about what to do at the destination we hit than he does. We've done Disney together, what, 6 times in the last 3 years? He planned none of them. Just gave me the "OK" and told me how much he was OK with spending.

The one trip he booked on his own (the one where he came to Disney to surprise me and my family), I still hear about what a disaster it was, how much he overpaid, and how much he hated trying to figure it out. He was glad to get there, but I heard a lot about how he booked a flight but didn't realize he booked it on the wrong day, then he didn't allow himself enough time to get to the airport, and he flew standby, then he lost his seat, then he got a taxi and overpaid there, he got to the park and bought the wrong ticket, etc etc etc. The flight back he was double-fared but didn't notice it, he booked the wrong flight, he didn't book a connecting flight...

He came out of it saying "this is why I don't plan trips."

I suggest you do what I do... Suggest it's time to take a trip, ask for the budget, ask if he has preferences (nearby or not, overnight or not, relaxing or on-the-go) and then just book it. If he says "whatever is fine," then take him at his word, stick to the budget, and do your thing. If he asks how much it's costing, tell him you're in the budget and we can discuss it when we get home.

That said, I don't have a problem with the complaining (bolded part) so I'm not sure how to address that.
 
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I have been with my husband for almost 5 years now. We have never been on any vacations together. The only time we have traveled together is to see relatives and that would only be about 2 hours from where we live. Wait I take that back-once we went to a town about 3 hours away and stayed in a hotel and went to an aquarium and he slept the rest of the time (including the ride there and back). Regardless, I am trying to plan a trip for this weekend and can get no input into what we would enjoy. I suggested a theme park so we can take the kids which he agreed to, but then when we looked up prices he began grumbling about ticket costs. At this rate I feel like we will never take a "real trip" together much less a big vacation. Any advice in this situation?


Maybe he is a homebody? Some people just do not like travel. My wife likes simple trips, and hates crowds. When you dated what excited him? What excites him now? If he has a day off what does he do with it? What about him excites you?
 
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He doesn't like to spend money. So he kind of opts out of everything to avoid that. I understand. I don't like to spend frivolously, but you have to spend something for any type of entertainment. He is also very sporadic in his decision making-so even if you do make plans with him months in advance he may "forget" about them and make other plans in the mean time that you don't find out about until the week of-the combination of all of this=why I get frustrated. When we dated I guess he mainly did things with his large family. Now he still does pretty much the same-as far as extracurricular activities he likes to watch tv that's pretty much it. If he has a day off he lounges around the house and watches tv. I guess what excites me about him is that he takes care of his children and he has great ideas and is passionate about them.
 
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Yes and no. Some of it definitely like-victimization, chronically late or forgetful, making excuses, procrastination, etc. But the fear of intimacy and fear of competition not so much-also he doesn't really say mean things. According to he and his mother he has ADD-which may be the case, but his mother also fostered alot of childish behaviors in him for a long time even as a grown man. I think that has a lot to do with it-he was never really required to do things for himself like plan things out, follow through with things, etc.
 
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Someone that's passive aggressive rarely says mean things (that's why they're labeled as "passive"). They deal with their anger indirectly (and in very subtle ways that are easily masked--not to be perceived as anger). Often they were raised with the idea that they must be "nice" and "polite" at all times, and that showing anger (or verbalizing that they're angry) would *not* be tolerated. With that upbringing.....they are left without the skills to communicate about their opinions.....needs....and anger (I wonder if they even *know*....because they've been sort of trained to shove all that down and ignore it).

Fear of intimacy doesn't always appear how one would expect. There's a strange dynamic of fear of abandonment and fear of intimacy all at the same time. That's where the disengaged attitude comes in---they are present, but not actually engaged. It's a fear that sharing their true self will cause the ones they depend on (but fear that dependency all at the same time) will leave.

What's his relationship like with his mother now? Does she still try to keep him dependent on her?
 
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I found this article on the topic of "fear of intimacy". I think it describes it well. Here is a bit from the article:

"As children we were incapable of seeing ourselves as separate from our families - of knowing we had worth as individuals apart from our families. The reality we grew up in was the only reality that we knew. We thought our parents behavior reflected our worth - the same way that our codependent parents thought our behavior was a factor in rather they had worth."

"The simplest and most understandable way I have ever heard intimacy described is by breaking the word down: in to me see. That is what intimacy is about - allowing another person to see into us, sharing who we are with another person.

Sharing who we are is a problem for codependents because at the core of our relationship with ourselves is the feeling that we are somehow defective, unlovable and unworthy - because of our childhood emotional trauma.~http://joy2meu.com/Fear_of_Intimacy.html

I don't think "trauma" has to be anything diabolical (or violent). I think a standard of emotional dishonesty is enough to cause a person to be sort of "trained" to actually fear being honest about their thoughts/opinions/beliefs.
 
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Yes! Definitely fear of abandonment and this part of the book sums him up

"As children we were incapable of seeing ourselves as separate from our families - of knowing we had worth as individuals apart from our families. The reality we grew up in was the only reality that we knew. We thought our parents behavior reflected our worth - the same way that our codependent parents thought our behavior was a factor in rather they had worth."

His whole family (mom, brothers and sisters) is like this. They rarely spend any time alone.
 
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Ahh......*that* makes a lot of sense, then. In a family like that (often)....everyone learns to conform (to not stand out as different)......that will (again, often---not always) teach a person to vent their anger in ways that are ambiguous ("that's not what I was doing......I truly forgot we had that wedding to go to.").

I'm sorry......I don't recall if you've said or not (and am too lazy to go back)......has he broken away from his family to where YOU are his primary relationship?
 
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