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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by drstevej, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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  2. Ironhold

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    As we *repeatedly* ask -

    Can you give us a summary beyond just the title?

    It's basic courtesy on the internet to briefly sum up what's happening in a video - especially if it's a longer video - so that people will know what's going on before they invest the time to watch it.

    As it is, all we have is click bait.
     
  3. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    You spend a good bit of time here (6000+ posts). Watch it first hand. It is shorter than many visits of Mormon elders who knock on our doors.
     
  4. Ironhold

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    Yeah.

    That just guaranteed that *no one* will watch it.
     
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  5. Ironhold

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    And for the record -

    Unless I'm looking something up to answer someone's question, I *maybe* only spend 5 minutes per visit on this site, twice a day if that. My post count is a function of how often people engage me in discussions.

    During that five minutes I can be doing as much as eight things at once IRL.
     
  6. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    OK
    He's sharing his testimony of his conversion and that of his family.

    Now, the ball is in your court. Why not stack up a few visit's worth of time to give it a view.
     
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  7. Phoebe Ann

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    1 John 4
    18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

    We aren't afraid to hear another person's story.
     
  8. Ironhold

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    There is anti-Mormon material instructing people to use whatever means necessary to ensure that Mormons neither pray nor bear their testimony in the reader's presence, and I'm aware of at least one minister who made it a habit to tell members of his congregation that if they ever got a Book of Mormon they were to immediately throw it in the garbage or he would seize the book and do it himself.

    Is that hate, or fear at work?
     
  9. drstevej

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    off topic
     
  10. Tigger45

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    Living in the Mecca of Mormonism we frequently see these conversations and testimonies. Albeit the outcome isn’t as positive as in the video where many of those in his inner circle were converted also but often they are ostracized by friends and family.
     
  11. Phoebe Ann

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    I was speaking of the brave Christian people who post here, more specifically myself. I would call that behavior either fear or ignorance and if they decide to read the Book of Mormon, be sure to take a good look at the Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. Mormons want their "contacts" to have an incomplete picture.
     
  12. Ironhold

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    That... wasn't actually much of an answer.

    You claimed in this very thread that people aren't afraid of us, which is in stark contrast to the above-mentioned efforts to suppress anything we have to say.
     
  13. Peter1000

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    It is not that we want them to have an incompete picture, but it is like in the bible that we want to give them milk, and see if they can handle that before we give them the meat lest they choke and reject everything. That is a biblical concept that we too follow.

    For instance the first look at the Trinity is pretty simple (milk), but when that is swallowed and digested, then you take a look at the guts of the doctrine, which is much more difficult to explain and in fact is unexplainable. That is why so many people from other Christian religion finally come to the Church of Jesus Christ, because our knowledge of the nature of God is much more acceptable and biblical, and much easier to digest.
     
  14. Anto9us

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    That's pretty arrogant, Peter.
    To stand back and see if Non-Mormons can 'handle' your so-called 'milk' before you durst give them any meat.

    Don't flatter yourselves.

    We deal with Trinity and meat that ye know not of.
     
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  15. Phoebe Ann

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    No, Mormons try to take advantage of the biblical quote to suit their own false doctrine. People who know God and His truth, as many people on this site do, don't become Mormons.

    Milk is not the beginning of Mormonism, and meat is not secret temple ordinances. And people who think they are more worthy than others won't have eternal life.
     
  16. Ironhold

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    Look at it this way.

    GURPS.

    It's a popular pencil-and-paper role-playing game system. The name is an anagram meaning "Generic Universal Role-Playing System". Basically, it's a single standardized set of rules that Steve Jackson Games created. Everything they crank out utilizes this same system, both making it easier for new players to get started (since there's only one set of rules to learn) and easier for the people running each game to blend SJG materials together.

    Now, if you just wanna play, you can go to their website and get a "quick-start" guide. http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/lite/3e/gurpslite.pdf 32 pages, and off ya go.

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    Here's hoping that you can successfully read everything over the sound of your wallet crying.

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    But basically, the idea is "this is the basics of what a person needs to understand what it means to be a member of the church, and as they gain comprehension and comfort we'll nudge them onward and help them learn more."
     
  17. Ironhold

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    "[Hobby] is my anti-drug... because I spend so much money on it that there's nothing left for me to support a drug habit." ^_^
     
  18. Peter1000

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    A statement was made that we do not give everything to a convert. That is true and false, because we give them only a portion (milk) until we know they can handle the rest (meat). That is a biblical model that we follow.

    You follow the same model too. You cannot give a convert from Buddism the entire gospel of Jesus Chrsit in 1 setting or 20 settings. You must give them a portion first that will allow them to believe before you take them into the complete and complex Trinity doctrine.

    I am not trying to flatter myself. Why do you think there are schools and degrees in theology? Do you think you can teach graduate courses in theology before you teach theology 101? No. That is what I am talking about.

    Out of curiosity, tell me one thing I know not of about the Trinity.
     
  19. BigDaddy4

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    False. A "biblical model" would use only the Bible, where the "milk" and "meat" of the Gospel are actually contained.
     
  20. Peter1000

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    How exactly do we take advantage of a biblical quote to suit our own false doctrine?

    Is that your problem with temple people, they think they are more worthy than non-temple people? It is not that they think they are more worthy, but they do actually apply the gospel of Jesus Christ in their lives and do things that allows them to enter the temple.

    For instance: If a man and a woman marry, they promise to be faithful. In a temple marriage, the man and the woman actually covenant with God and Jesus and the HS to be faithful. There is a huge difference that most people are not willing to take upon themselves, and that difference shows up in marriage statistics. Non temple Christian marriages fail at somewhere between 25-35%. Temple marriages in the Church of Jesus Christ can fail also but is closer to 6-12%.

    As you can see, covenanting with God and going back month after month to the temple solidifies a marriage because if you fail, you are breaking a covenant with God, not just a promise to a pastor.

    There are many things that we do and say in the temple that lends itself to our daily journey towards God. Feeling that we are more worthy than others is not one of those attributes that comes with temple attendance. So if that is how you feel, then again you are wrong about that idea.

    Milk and meat are taken in their proper order, and in the Church of Jesus Christ we do it properly. Even doing it properly, many are not prepared to put the meat of the gospel into their daily lives and fall away and are lost, just like the Corinthians in the bible. (1 Corinthians 3:2)
     
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