My Gravolution Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Does this mean that all of this Creation is in the end something that God is dreaming up?

It's winding down.

You know ... entropy and all.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

 

[Oneiric1975]

He could, but He chose not to.

Creator's choice.

...sounds more like your choice.

 

[AV1611VET]

...sounds more like your choice.

Cute.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Cute.

perhaps. But I note that so many people of faith speak so strongly for God almost as if they themselves are inerrant.

I mean I see your quote from Genesis which is fine. It's kinda like me saying "I stopped work on Friday". Does that mean I didn't come back in on Monday? Not necessarily. I mean we KNOW new animals have shown up over time. We see it in the rock record and we even see it in the petri dish daily! Diseases mutate and change and become new things.

If I showed you an animal that was killed by a chemical "X" and then two days later that same animal was now IMMUNE to chemical "X" wouldn't you find that amazing? A change? A new feature? Dare I say a "new creation"?

Seems to me the more pious someone is the more likely they are to assume they sit at the Right Hand of the Father.

 

[dlamberth]

It's winding down.

You know ... entropy and all.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Honestly, I have no idea how God can be winding down. My brain doesn't work that way. Nor in my experience does the presence of God.

Your entropy of God can take a Hike!

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly, I have no idea how God can be winding down.

Here ... let me interpret that for you, and hopefully turn a light bulb on.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Interpretation:

Romans 8:20 For [God's creation] was made subject to [entropy], not willingly, but by reason of [the Fall],
21 Because [God's creation] itself also shall be delivered from [entropy] into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation [is falling apart] until now.

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly, I have no idea how God can be winding down. My brain doesn't work that way. Nor in my experience does the presence of God.

Your entropy of God can take a Hike!

You speak the language of panentheism.

But even so, I'm sure panentheists accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics, do they not?

If the universe is your god, then science says your god is falling apart at the seams.

(Not to mention getting fatter and fatter.)

 

[HitchSlap]

You speak the language of panentheism.

But even so, I'm sure panentheists accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics, do they not?

If the universe is your god, then science says your god is falling apart at the seams.

(Not to mention getting fatter and fatter.)

Always gives me a chuckle when creos trump the 2LoT, but completely ignore 1LoT.

This is why creos can’t do science, they literally don’t know what it is.

 

[Oneiric1975]

It's winding down.

You know ... entropy and all.

So are you saying that we can no longer make ice in our refrigerators? You DO realize a LOT of things happen that result in a decrease in entropy locally, correct? We have a sun out there pumping a lot of energy into our system.

Yes universally entropy increases, but locally it can decrease. It happens literally all the time.

 

[Oneiric1975]

You speak the language of panentheism.

But even so, I'm sure panentheists accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics, do they not?

If the universe is your god, then science says your god is falling apart at the seams.

(Not to mention getting fatter and fatter.)

If one wishes to talk about the Second Law one should get a firm grasp on what it does and does not mean.

 

[Oneiric1975]

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[AV1611VET]

Always gives me a chuckle when creos trump the 2LoT, but completely ignore 1LoT.

This is why creos can’t do science, they literally don’t know what it is.

So the universe isn't headed for thermal equilibrium?

 

[AV1611VET]

So are you saying that we can no longer make ice in our refrigerators? You DO realize a LOT of things happen that result in a decrease in entropy locally, correct? We have a sun out there pumping a lot of energy into our system.

Yes universally entropy increases, but locally it can decrease. It happens literally all the time.

I'm talking about the universe as a whole.

 

[AV1611VET]

If one wishes to talk about the Second Law one should get a firm grasp on what it does and does not mean.

LOL

Ever heard of maximum entropy?

 

[dlamberth]

You speak the language of panentheism.

But even so, I'm sure panentheists accept the Second Law of Thermodynamics, do they not?

If the universe is your god, then science says your god is falling apart at the seams.

(Not to mention getting fatter and fatter.)

Does the Spirit of God hold to the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
Does the Light of God hold to Second Law of Thermodynamics?

 

[Oneiric1975]

LOL

Ever heard of maximum entropy?

Not sure why my post is lol-worthy.

 

[dlamberth]

Here ... let me interpret that for you, and hopefully turn a light bulb on.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Interpretation:

Romans 8:20 For [God's creation] was made subject to [entropy], not willingly, but by reason of [the Fall],
21 Because [God's creation] itself also shall be delivered from [entropy] into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation [is falling apart] until now.

The creature is not God. Your barking up the wrong tree.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does the Spirit of God hold to the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Ask your credentialed cohorts.

Or better yet, test it yourself.

Just put an ice cube on your kitchen table and watch entropy in action.

Does the Light of God hold to Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Well I don't know what the "Light of God" is in panentheism, but if you meant the electromagnetic spectrum, then yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

The creature is not God. Your barking up the wrong tree.

Um ...

 

[HitchSlap]

So the universe isn't headed for thermal equilibrium?

Is the universe a closed system?