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I live by faith in the Son of God.
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As stated before im not interested in a discussion with you. Maybe another time friend
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Which is exactly the problem. If the human population had been reduced to eight people 4,000 years ago, the genetic bottleneck would be glaringly obvious.
This diversity in human genes suggests there may be no bottle neck.
Toba catastrophe theory is the only major bottleneck i have encountered so far.
However, subsequent research, especially in the 2010s, appeared to refute both the climate argument and the genetic argument. Recent research shows the extent of climate change was much smaller than believed by proponents of the theory.[11] In addition,coalescence times for Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA have been revised to well above 100,000 years since 2011.
Finally, such coalescence would not, in itself, indicate a population bottleneck, because mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome DNA are only a small part of the entire genome, and are atypical in that they are inherited exclusively through the mother or through the father, respectively.
What u think?
Do you understand how the lack of a cheetah magnitude population bottleneck refutes the flood story?
The cause of the human population bottleneck is still being debated. Its existence is not, as far as I can see. The human bottleneck is far less intense than that of the cheetah. And that tells us that there was no Noah's Ark flood where people got reduced to only eight individuals. If that happened to us you could get an organ transplant from almost anyone.
The cause of the human population bottleneck is still being debated. Its existence is not, as far as I can see. The human bottleneck is far less intense than that of the cheetah. And that tells us that there was no Noah's Ark flood where people got reduced to only eight individuals. If that happened to us you could get an organ transplant from almost anyone.
And please don't conflate Mitochondrial Eve with a bottleneck. Even during her time there were thousands of human beings. Why bring that up?
Do you understand how the lack of a cheetah magnitude population bottleneck refutes the flood story?
I view the flood as local but am always willing to see an arguement that may convince me.
There is good argument for 6th day creation - go forth and multiply and nth day creation of Adam and eve - stay in the garden.
It could be possible that there were 2 seperate creations. 6th day and Adams descendants - after Gods rest
If this is so then 'the sons of God' (who had the breath of life) could possibly have stayed in one area.
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127 of the earth
Strong: H127
Orig: from 119; soil (from its general redness):--country, earth, ground, husband(-man) (-ry), land
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The event of rhe tower of babel suggests the descendants of Adam and Noah had not scattered yet and maybe all in one place.
noahs ark was before tower of babel. Tower of babel is linked with the scatter of the indo-euro proto language.
Please tell me what u think?
Tell me. How does the bottleneck population refute the flood story?
I dont believe noahs ark was a world flood as i stated previously.
I believe noahs ark was localised.
Yes, but you have not been clear in what you believe
The lack of a bottleneck refutes the Noah's Ark story
I believe 'those who had the breath of life' and some 6th day ppl perished - opinion . Noah, his descendants and 6th day creation were left
6th day went forth..
Breath of life - adam
That tells us nothing. Do you think that humanity was threatened? Were animal species threatened? Which ones and why?
Refer to page 6 of this thread friend.
Pls refer you to post 118 page, p age 6
Noahs ark saved the last of the descendants of adam. My opinion - the 2 by 2 animals were used to replenish area where noah landed..
Remember noah only got as far as turkey. Noah may have lived in the fertile crescent. The sons of God may not have gotten far. The flood - imo - was to destroy sons of God who became corrupted.
God told 6th day creation to go forth and multiply.
Check this link
Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous | DiscoverMagazine.com
Why is it important for you that God does not exist?
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So you feel free to reinterpret the Bible to almost any extent, as long as you can claim that it is "accurate".
I just gave you an instance based on the chronological order of genesis in relation to noahs ark.
Lets see your cards friend.
What do you believe in?
Sorry, but you are ready to reinterpret your myth at the drop of a hat.
I don't believe that there was a flood of Noah. There was a severe flood that inspired the myth, and it has been found, but it was local to only the Tigris/Euphrates drainage system. It did not threaten man at all, and there was no magical boay
Your version of the flood already makes it rather pointless. People would have survived regardless, animals were not threatened at all. There was no point to the Ark in your version.
Hey hey sub.
Have you considered that noahs flood may not have been a world wide flood?
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I do not reinterpret anything. I looked at genesis and read it literally.
You do seem to attack me a lot. How are you not guilty of ab hominem?
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
You seem to attack my integrity a lot.
Why is noahs boat magic?
As mentioned before noahs flood was a flood to wipe out the sons of Gods. Descendants of Adam.
Why would God punish a goup of ppl He told you go forth and multiply? God was interested in Adams descendants.
Where do you get your morals from?
How do you know what is right and wrong?
No, it doesn't.The lack of a bottleneck refutes the Noah's Ark story.
No, it doesn't.
As you know, global floodists believe a bottleneck event occurred.
That event was the Flood.
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
As you know, a bottleneck event requires a bottleneck recovery.
God recovered the earth.
Genesis 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
Genesis 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
As you know, a bottleneck recovery depends on the vitality of the survivors.
God blessed the survivors with vitality.
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Any questions?
In addition, that blessing in Genesis 9:1 effectively destroyed any chances of inbreeding depression occurring.Handwaving is not an explanation.
I'm not going to explain the lack of a bottleneck.Subduction Zone said:Until you explain the lack of a bottleneck the flood story is refuted.
Put that down as a correction.As you know, global floodists believe a bottleneck event occurred.
In addition, that blessing in Genesis 9:1 effectively destroyed any chances of inbreeding depression occurring.
I'm not going to explain the lack of a bottleneck.
I just told you one occurred, didn't I?
Here is the second sentence of Post 154:
Put that down as a correction.
And don't forget:Then your flood is refuted.
Are you claiming one needs to be a theist, to have good morals?I just gave you an instance based on the chronological order of genesis in relation to noahs ark.
Lets see your cards friend.
What do you believe in?
Ie what is your belief system and where do you get your morals from
Knowing the difference between vertical and horizontal helps.Are you claiming one needs to be a theist, to have good morals?
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