My Goosenecks challenge.

[Subduction Zone]

Since AV and some other creationists like challenges so much:

I have brought this up before and no flood proponent yet has been able to answer this question. How did the following geologic feature form if there was a worldwide flood:

Goosenecks State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So how do you explain that feature, and other features similar around the world by using a Flood?

 

[Strathos]

I know AV claims the Grand Canyon at least formed separately from the flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know AV claims the Grand Canyon at least formed separately from the flood.

The problem is that no one can explain how geologic structures formed and be consistent with either what is observed or their own explanations. This photo is of an object that drives flood advocates crazy since the only reasonable explanation if that given by the standard model of geology.

 

[Loudmouth]

For the uninitiated . . .

The Gooseneck Paradox:

1. In order to get gooseneck meanders, you need slow moving water.

2. In order to get such deep canyons in a young Earth, you need fast moving water.

 

[juvenissun]

Since AV and some other creationists like challenges so much:

I have brought this up before and no flood proponent yet has been able to answer this question. How did the following geologic feature form if there was a worldwide flood:

Goosenecks State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So how do you explain that feature, and other features similar around the world by using a Flood?

May be you can tell me what would happen to the following geological setting:

A 200-meter thick deposition of loose sediments, made of interlayers of sand and mud. And,
at elevation 1000 meters above the sea level. And
a small creek flows on the surface of the sediments.

How would the meander look like at the end?

 

[juvenissun]

I know AV claims the Grand Canyon at least formed separately from the flood.

What is wrong with that?

 

[Loudmouth]

May be you can tell me what would happen to the following geological setting:

A 200-meter thick deposition of loose sediments, made of interlayers of sand and mud. And,
at elevation 1000 meters above the sea level. And
a small creek flows on the surface of the sediments.

How would the meander look like at the end?

It would be at the surface, not 200 m deep into the sediment. In order to get the meanders you need a slow stream that wouldn't erode much.

Not only that, but you couldn't get the vertical cliffs seen in the pictures since the loose sediments would slump.

 

[bhsmte]

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[AV1611VET]

So how do you explain that feature, and other features similar around the world by using a Flood?

They could have been carved when God ordered the water off the earth.

Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

In other words, the waters went to a "siphoning point," where they were taken up and deposited elsewhere in the solar system (or wherever).

 

[AV1611VET]

2. In order to get such deep canyons in a young Earth, you need fast moving water.

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

(And for the record, I'm not an advocate of a young earth.)

 

[AV1611VET]

I know AV claims the Grand Canyon at least formed separately from the flood.

Correct.

I believe the breakup of Eden (a.k.a. "Pangaea") is what caused the Grand Canyon.

Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

 

[crjmurray]

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

(And for the record, I'm not an advocate of a young earth.)

When was the earth created?

 

[AV1611VET]

When was the earth created?

I go with 4004 BC

 

[crjmurray]

I go with 4004 BC

That's a young earth.

 

[Loudmouth]

Correct.

I believe the breakup of Eden (a.k.a. "Pangaea") is what caused the Grand Canyon.

Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

How does this cause incised gooseneck meanders?

 

[Loudmouth]

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

(And for the record, I'm not an advocate of a young earth.)

Fast flowing water does not produce a single, meandering channel.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's a young earth.

That's an earth created in 4004 BC.

Nothing [physical] in the universe came before it.

Not the sun, not the moon, not a speck of dust, not light -- nothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

How does this cause incised gooseneck meanders?

It didn't.

Again, the gooseneck meanders came when the waters followed a prearranged path to a "siphoning point."

Here, let me put it in the most scientific of terms possible:

God did it.

 

[AV1611VET]

2. In order to get such deep canyons in a young Earth, you need fast moving water.

Fast flowing water does not produce a single, meandering channel.

Which is it? fast moving water or slow water?

Make up my mind, please?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fast flowing water does not produce a single, meandering channel.

Hey chief, FYI:

If the slope of an established meandering stream is suddenly increased, it will resume downward erosion – this happens when the base level of the stream is reduced, for example due to tectonic uplift of the region, a global fall in sea-level, collapse of a moraine-dammed lake downstream, or by capture of the stream by a steeper one. As the stream erodes downwards, its established meandering pattern will remain as a deep valley known as an incised meander or entrenched meander. Rivers in the Colorado Plateau, the Kentucky River Palisades in central Kentucky, and streams in the Ozark Plateau are noted for these incised meanders.

SOURCE

Note especially the "global fall in sea level."

The Flood was global.