My Genesis 2 Challenge

[Colter]

No soul.....

The Bible doesn’t say man was given a soul. It says he “became” a living being (soul).

The same word is applied to the animals as well. That “knowing” good and bad is the only thing different between us.

True, the soul is an experiential acquirement as we do the will of God. Man was created with the potential of a soul.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

God the Absolute is expressed in the Paradise Trinity, an indistinguishable unity. The Trinity is the source of the Creator Sons who go out and establish their own creations. Our Creator Son Christ Michael incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth.

Every new revelation of truth is seen as a "heresy" by the pigheaded fundamentalists who petrified the old revelations into inflexible dogma. Jesus ran into tradition bound religious fanatics as well as the prophets before him.

If we learned anything from the tragic experience of the Jews and Jesus its "keep an open mind"!

Yes Jesus did run into pigheaded fundamentalists that tried to convict him of blasphemy by bearing false witness saying he claimed to be God. Jesus defended himself against those false charges.......

Jesus (Michael), is the only thing God personally created, hence His “only begotten son.” All else was created through that son and for him. He was the only begotten from the beginning, not because he became flesh.

Which is why at the end he comes not with the voice of God, but with the voice of an archangel, because he is the archangel Michael.

There is no trinity godhead. There is the Father who is above all things and the son through whom are all things. The spirit is merely the manifestation of God’s power.

The problem is those who have been misled into believing in the trinity don’t have the “open mind” you say people should keep. Which is why when Satan comes claiming to be Christ, people will fall down and worship him, believing falsely Jesus is God.

As Jesus said, when you pray.......

 

[Aman777]

So how do you know it's always eternal? Where does it say in the Bible that that particular phrasing means "eternal"?

God wrote Genesis so that unbelievers could not understand His Truth. This eliminates the tares from the wheat since only those who believe in Jesus can possibly understand. Notice that Lord God/Jesus "formed" Adam temporarily from the dust Genesis 2:4-7 and the same Adam was "created" Spiritually by the agreement of the invisible Spirit of God. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 It takes the agreement of the Trinity to "create" an eternal, immortal, being.

 

[Colter]

God wrote Genesis so that unbelievers could not understand His Truth. This eliminates the tares from the wheat.

And it is because of Genesis that sincere thinking men are unbelievers!

The Hebrew priest wrote Genesis the way it is because it was written for the child like minds of Bronze Age sheep herders. Its not profound, there is no deep hidden meaning, its a children's book!

 

[Colter]

Yes Jesus did run into pigheaded fundamentalists that tried to convict him of blasphemy by bearing false witness saying he claimed to be God. Jesus defended himself against those false charges.......

Jesus (Michael), is the only thing God personally created, hence His “only begotten son.” All else was created through that son and for him. He was the only begotten from the beginning, not because he became flesh.

Which is why at the end he comes not with the voice of God, but with the voice of an archangel, because he is the archangel Michael.

There is no trinity godhead. There is the Father who is above all things and the son through whom are all things. The spirit is merely the manifestation of God’s power.

The problem is those who have been misled into believing in the trinity don’t have the “open mind” you say people should keep. Which is why when Satan comes claiming to be Christ, people will fall down and worship him, believing falsely Jesus is God.

As Jesus said, when you pray.......

Jesus was both human and divine and he did in fact claim to be so.

 

[Tom 1]

For those of you who say Genesis 2 is another account of creation, are you admitting that the Bible says God created man before He created the apes?

What leads you to think that either chapter contains any information that might be thought of as scientific?

 

[Tom 1]

And it is because of Genesis that sincere thinking men are unbelievers!

The Hebrew priest wrote Genesis the way it is because it was written for the child like minds of Bronze Age sheep herders. Its not profound, there is no deep hidden meaning, its a children's book!

It was certainly written from a Bronze Age mindset, but there was nothing childlike about that. The Sumerian civilisation Abram came out of was every bit as sophisticated as ours, just in very different ways, and it didn’t degenerate from there. Priorities, ideas, the general view on what was important and what wasn’t differed hugely but there was nothing ‘childlike’ about any of it. The genesis account is not a science text but that and the whole book of Genesis is a sophisticated and complex narrative. Don’t take my word for it, but take Erich Auerbach’s.

 

[Aman777]

And it is because of Genesis that sincere thinking men are unbelievers!

The Hebrew priest wrote Genesis the way it is because it was written for the child like minds of Bronze Age sheep herders. Its not profound, there is no deep hidden meaning, its a children's book!

False since Genesis 1 agrees with recent discoveries of Science which could not have been known at the time. Want scientific support for the things shown in Genesis?

 

[Colter]

It was certainly written from a Bronze Age mindset, but there was nothing childlike about that. The Sumerian civilisation Abram came out of was every bit as sophisticated as ours, just in very different ways, and it didn’t degenerate from there. Priorities, ideas, the general view on what was important and what wasn’t differed hugely but there was nothing ‘childlike’ about any of it. The genesis account is not a science text but that and the whole book of Genesis is a sophisticated and complex narrative. Don’t take my word for it, but take Erich Auerbach’s.

There are silly errors and claims in Genesis. The Jews kept rewriting and redacting Genesis which is mistaken for something profound when its just a hack job. Noah's flood is indeed child like.

 

[Colter]

False since Genesis 1 agrees with recent discoveries of Science which could not have been known at the time. Want scientific support for the things shown in Genesis?

Real science debunked the creation week story of Genesis long ago, religious pride hasn't come to terms with that yet.

 

[AV1611VET]

What leads you to think that either chapter contains any information that might be thought of as scientific?

God didn't use science to create the universe.

He used miracles.

 

[Colter]

God didn't use science to create the universe.

He used miracles.

To God there are no miracles. They know how to create stuff within Gods immutable laws.

The Israelites invented a creation story using what they could find laying around.

 

[Aman777]

Real science debunked the creation week story of Genesis long ago, religious pride hasn't come to terms with that yet.

The traditional religious story of the creation is the same view ancient man had thousands of years before Science. God knew this so He hid His scientific knowledge in Genesis until the last days before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4 Recent scientific discoveries have confirmed what God told us Genesis. It's the way God is pouring out His Spirit upon ALL flesh, including atheists agnostics and phonies in these last days.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

It's empirical (testable) evidence of God. Are you ready?

 

[Colter]

The traditional religious story of the creation is the same view ancient man had thousands of years before Science. God knew this so He hid His scientific knowledge in Genesis until the last days before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4 Recent scientific discoveries have confirmed what God told us Genesis. It's the way God is pouring out His Spirit upon ALL flesh, including atheists agnostics and phonies in these last days.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

It's empirical (testable) evidence of God. Are you ready?

You make up a lot of bolony to justify the errors of the Bible. Genesis is a very young story relative to the 1,000,000 year old history of humans.

The spirit was already poorer out after Jesus left. You over think all this stuff.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Jesus was both human and divine and he did in fact claim to be so.

Jesus also agreed with Noah's flood, so apparently according to you he was also stupid....

Divine does not equal God...... Angels are divine, there are actually many gods and many lords..... In fact Jesus made sure you understood "'I am not able of myself to do anything; according as I hear I judge, and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me."

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You make up a lot of bolony to justify the errors of the Bible. Genesis is a very young story relative to the 1,000,000 year old history of humans.

The spirit was already poorer out after Jesus left. You over think all this stuff.

What 1,000,000 year old history??? The oldest artifact id a few thousand years old.

Oh my bad, that goes along with soft tissue lasting millions of years.....

Of course people like to ignore the science of slowing clocks (radioactive decay) in a universe increasing in acceleration..... Contemplate on slowing clocks for a bit, perhaps you'll recognize your error....

 

[Aman777]

You make up a lot of bolony to justify the errors of the Bible. Genesis is a very young story relative to the 1,000,000 year old history of humans.

The spirit was already poorer out after Jesus left. You over think all this stuff.

You have a false timeline. Here is God's Timeline:

God's Timeline
14+ Billion years ago God makes Adam's Earth Gen 1:9-10 Day 3
14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4 Day 3
13.8 Billion years ago The Big Bang of the present Cosmos occurs. Day 3
4.53 Billion years ago The present Earth is formed Gen 2:4 Day 5
3.77 Billion years ago Universal Common Ancestor appears in water Gen 1:21 Day 5

5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4 Day 5

11 Thousand years ago Noah brings Human (descendants of Adam) civilization to planet Earth on the Ark. Gen 8:4 Noah's grandsons marry prehistoric people and produce today's Humans Day 6

Soon, Jesus returns at Armageddon, rules Earth for a thousand years, and the 6th Day/Age ends Gen 1:31
The 7th Day, the Age of Joy, begins Gen 2:1-3 Amen?

 

[Colter]

What 1,000,000 year old history??? The oldest artifact id a few thousand years old.

Oh my bad, that goes along with soft tissue lasting millions of years.....

Of course people like to ignore the science of slowing clocks (radioactive decay) in a universe increasing in acceleration..... Contemplate on slowing clocks for a bit, perhaps you'll recognize your error....

Go study the oldest human artifacts.

Radioactive decay rates date the earth over 4 billion years.

 

[Colter]

Jesus also agreed with Noah's flood, so apparently according to you he was also stupid....

Divine does not equal God...... Angels are divine, there are actually many gods and many lords..... In fact Jesus made sure you understood "'I am not able of myself to do anything; according as I hear I judge, and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me."

Jesus is sovereign God to us. He achieved unquestioned sovereignty by coming down and living the human life.

 

[St. Helens]

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