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My Genesis 1 Hypothetical Challenge

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I think the bible should be read keeping in mind that it is a book written for a 3 thousand year old nomadic tribal culture and in an ancient language few people understand today. The point of genesis is simply that YHWH created earth and everything in and to sustain earth. The writers, whether or not inspired by YHWH, needed to write with the knowledge of the time and not ahead of their time.
That's not how it works.

The word of God is for all ages.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Hebrews 4:12a For the word of God is quick,


'Quick' means It is alive; meaning that, just as a person grows from childhood to adulthood, the Bible grows with the times: from ancient times until tomorrow -- and beyond.

It is just as applicable today, as It will be tomorrow.
 
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That's not how it works.

The word of God is for all ages.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Hebrews 4:12a For the word of God is quick,


'Quick' means It is alive; meaning that, just as a person grows from childhood to adulthood, the Bible grows with the times: from ancient times until tomorrow -- and beyond.

It is just as applicable today, as It will be tomorrow.
That is a belief not a fact. If were a fact then explain why an all powerful deity would create a literal biblical world then allow future science to discover overwhelming evidence for just the opposite. Saying the deity works in mysterious ways or God is only testing you might be ok for believers but I doubt for others that don't share your belief. Again, I don't care what anyone believes but I will point out the difference between belief and scientific evidence.
 
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That is a belief not a fact. If were a fact then explain why an all powerful deity would create a literal biblical world then allow future science to discover overwhelming evidence for just the opposite.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

God created this universe with what I like to call "Easter eggs" embedded into it.

An "Easter egg" if you may recall, is a small program embedded into a video game that players like to share with each other in school.

An example that I can barely remember is Atari Golf.

Type in "Golf" backward in the set-up field, and it played a round of Frogger.

Something like that.

Anyway, God embedded "Easter eggs" into His creation -- (my favorite example is oil) -- to be found later on by men and women that He empowered with special knowledge.

"Gifted people" -- so to speak.

But over time, people started using their God-given talents against Him, rather than to glorify His creation.

They started playing games of connect-the-dots with His creation, Arab-phoning specific words in the Bible to their standards, and moving the decimal place as necessary to force-fit their ideas into a comprehensive and coherent story of history.

They are constantly updating their theories to conform to new discoveries and, in the meantime, produce junk science every month and propagate it to the public via such rags as Scientific American and Popular Science, which makes them look like they're doing actual work.
 
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Why do you insist science is junk? During the time of Christ the average life span was 35 years. Today it over twice that. From my perspective religion does both good things and not so good things. Denying science or labeling it junk in the name of religion is not a good thing.
 
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Why do you insist science is junk? During the time of Christ the average life span was 35 years. Today it over twice that. From my perspective religion does both good things and not so good things. Denying science or labeling it junk in the name of religion is not a good thing.
Dictionary.com = faulty scientific information or research, especially when used to advance special interests
 
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Dictionary.com = faulty scientific information or research, especially when used to advance special interests
How much of science is faulty, especially with the ToE which relies on a consilience of evidence from multiple independent scientific fields? The only scientific interest is with evidence. The theories with superior evidence are the dominant theories. Compare the sciences to the multiple religious denominations which have multiple areas of disagreement and the many denominations not having problems with the ToE.
BTW, you gave the definition of "junk science" which is not science. I don't think it is honest to play word games to make a point.
 
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BTW, you gave the definition of "junk science" which is not science. I don't think it is honest to play word games to make a point.
Did I not make it clear enough that junk science is the product of American Scientific and Popular Science, which come out with something new every single month?
 
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Did I not make it clear enough that junk science is the product of American Scientific and Popular Science, which come out with something new every single month?
Dictionary.com = faulty scientific information or research, especially when used to advance special interests
If your analogy is junk science is science or that scientific information is used to advance special interest then you are wrong. Both American Scientific and Popular Science report on developments in science neither do scientific research. There is nothing wrong with them giving their opinions on matters that their editorial boards are interested in. Among the organizations known to misrepresent science and give oblique and sloping reports to advance special interests are AIG, IRC, Discovery Institute and their sister organizations.
 
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If God showed up and took you back in time to the Creation Week, and you saw the events of the Creation Week occur just as outlined in Genesis 1, what single event would surprise you the most?

Since this is out to each of us, what would surprise me is that someone slipped LSD in my pop. Why would the waste it on me?
 
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You must drink pop in bad company. :eek:

Not that I know of, but that's probably why I haven't had any visions of visiting "Genesis-land" (or what ever we're supposed to call it.)
 
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I would be shocked that Eve was female after being cloned from a male rib...
That reminds me of the WHERE DID JESUS GET HIS Y-CHROMOSOME question.
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If I was a believer, I would take such absurd inconsistencies as God's signal to more knowledgeable times that those stories were not meant to be taken literally.
I wonder if the boy who went out picking up sticks on the Sabbath thought the same thing?
 
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That's not going to gain a lot of converts!
I know.

I often make the point that, if God were to give unbelievers what they want, and show up and do the exact same things He did during His first advent, He would be crucified again.
 
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If God showed up and took you back in time to the Creation Week, and you saw the events of the Creation Week occur just as outlined in Genesis 1, what single event would surprise you the most?
That God showed up.
This would surprise me the most.
Everything else would be small potatoes to that.
 
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