My Galileo Challenge

[TLK Valentine]

Trying to pin some Eurocentrism here is silly. The Europeans were the only Heliocentrists on Earth at that stage. While the Catholic Church did condemn it, this was far from a foregone conclusion, and one they tacitly regretted - Copernicus' works were placed on the index of banned works, but an exception was made for calendrical determinations, ie. they knew he was right, but it had become politically inexpedient to say so, after Galileo's public trial. That trial was more a witchhunt by his enemies, than an attempt to muzzle science or propogate theology.

Sounds like the Church needed to save face -- by burying what even they knew was right.

What a shrewd political move... don't you think?

Only about 50-70 years later did everyone agree Heliocentrism was valid, due to Kepler and Newton, and only confirmed observationally in the 18th and 19th centuries; but at the time of the trial, it was still debatable scientifically if this was the case.

True, true -- the main scientific obstacle to heliocentiricism was the lack of supporting mathematics -- Brahae tried to fix that; Kepler succeeded.

 

[AV1611VET]

It was ... a poor seller ...

It was up for money?

Were "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" and "My Struggles" up for money as well?

 

[AV1611VET]

Because the Church was politics --

Ah ... I see.

So even though they were neary the same back then, make sure academians choose the ecclestical side, not the political side ... right?

Would it bother you if the papers said an evolutionist said the Challenger was GO WITH THROTTLE-UP?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It was up for money?

You sound surprised that people actually sell books...

What else about the way the world works can we educate you on today?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ah ... I see.

So even though they were neary the same back then, make sure academians choose the ecclestical side, not the political side ... right?

There were no sides, AV -- even kings bent the knee to the Church once upon a time...

 

[AV1611VET]

You sound surprised that people actually sell books...

The year of their death?

What else about the way the world works can we educate you on today?

If I have a question, I'll ask ... thanks.

Of course, I'll probably have to ask three or four times, but once in awhile, educatees come through with an answer that usually addressed the question as it was written.

Why do you think I call these threads "challenge threads"?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The year of their death?

You've never heard of a posthumous work?

If I have a question, I'll ask ... thanks.

Of course, I'll probably have to ask three or four times, but once in awhile, educatees come through with an answer that usually addressed the question as it was written.

Why do you think I call these threads "challenge threads"?

Because you think you're clever.

 

[AV1611VET]

There were no sides, AV -- even kings bent the knee to the Church once upon a time...

So what's your excuse now?

We live in a free country where we can tell it like it is, and academians still want to [solely] blame the Catholic church.

If the cowardly scientists were in hiding, that means the scientists that presented expert testimony at his trial would have been the geocentrists ... right?

Or, as I suspect, you never looked at it that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

You've never heard of a posthumous work?

Then who trademarked it?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So what's your excuse now?

We live in a free country where we can tell it like it is, and academians still want to [solely] blame the Catholic church.

Who needs an excuse? Everyone accepts Galileo's findings... even the Catholic Church eventually came around.

If the cowardly scientists were in hiding, that means the scientists that presented expert testimony at his trial would have been the geocentrists ... right?

What scientists would those be, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

What scientists would those be, AV?

The ones we're talking about.

You know? geocentrists?

Who cares what their names were?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then who trademarked it?

Trademarks in 1543? Tell me more about how copyright laws worked back then...

 

[TLK Valentine]

The ones we're talking about.

You know? geocentrists?

Who cares what their names were?

Who testified against Galileo, AV? Never mind names, I want to know if any scientists were there...

 

[AV1611VET]

Who testified against Galileo, AV?

LOL ... solid aurum.

 

[TLK Valentine]

LOL ... solid aurum.

No answer, eh? Didn't expect one.

Then let me give you an answer, AV: there weren't any.

Why would the Church need scientists to tell them they were right?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then let me give you an answer, AV: there weren't any.

Really?

Okay, I'll humor you and play along.

When Galileo was convicted, did the geocentrists dance in the streets like Islams on 9/11?

Or did they get upset in the streets like the British did when Parliament tripled their tuitions?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Really?

Okay, I'll humor you and play along.

You'll humor the truth -- well, from you, I suppose that's an improvement.

When Galileo was convicted, did the geocentrists dance in the streets like Islams on 9/11?

Or did they get upset in the streets like the British did when Parliament tripled their tuitions?

Neither. They just went about their business like 99% of the world does whenever anything happens.

 

[AV1611VET]

Neither. They just went about their business like 99% of the world does whenever anything happens.

Ya ... I once heard a joke:

Q: What does NASA stand for?
A: Need Another Seven Astronauts.

Sick humor, if you ask me; but that's the way the footbridge crumbles, I guess.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ya ... I once heard a joke:

Q: What does NASA stand for?
A: Need Another Seven Astronauts.

Sick humor, if you ask me; but that's the way the footbridge crumbles, I guess.

That's an oldie... The one I heard back in the day was:

Q: What were Christa McAulluf's last words?
A: "What does this button do?"

 

[AV1611VET]

That's an oldie... The one I heard back in the day was:

Q: What were Christa McAulluf's last words?
A: "What does this button do?"

Christa McAuliffe was a blonde!?