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How is that relevant?
Well, I was just wondering, if you think the Bible supports slavery at all, if you would be willing to join in and assist any Christians who seek to repeal the 13th Amendment?
 
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Well, I was just wondering, if you think the Bible supports slavery at all, if you would be willing to join in and assist any Christians who seek to repeal the 13th Amendment?
I repeat, why on Earth would I? I don't agree with slavery, and as a non-American I have no relevant interest or influence in changing the US constitution.
 
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I don't agree with slavery,
Neither does God.

But why would you say the Old Testament supports it, when the Old Testament is actually prohibiting violence against them?

The example I gave earlier is divorce.

God doesn't condone divorce, so He places restrictions on those who are going to get one in spite of His wishes.

To assume those restrictions supports God condoning divorce is just wrong.
 
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No one was blaming slavery *on Christianity*. In reaction to a simplistic claim that slavery was ended *because* of Christianity, it was pointed out many times that Christians dominated *both* sides of the American slavery debate. Both used at time biblical justification for their support for or opposition to slavery. Both the NT and OT provide material that can be used by either side -- and it was.

As I recall, there were slaveholders who wouldn't allow their slaves to converted by local preachers, lest they get ideas about freedom or salvation, while other slaveholders thought it their solemn Christian duty to forcibly convert their non-Christian slaves.
 
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Going back it seems to be push back from something @Tanj wrote back in post #16

You need to go back further, to post 11


The implication of this post is Christianity values slavery on some level and even started slavery which is quite a statement.

Quite an incorrect statement, as it turns out. No such implication was present. It was DM that claimed "the Christians". worked to end slavery whereas evolutionary theory would have kept it. The point of my post, done in a clearly sarcastic style, was that it was "the Christians". that started slavery in the USA in the first place, 200 years before evolution was described.
 
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The christians worked to end slavery because we see God creating all men equal.
If that were true back than, perhaps you can explain the genocide of Native Americans by Christians if they saw all men as being created equal before God.
 
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Going back it seems to be push back from something @Tanj wrote back in post #16

Could be.

What? How does it imply that? And no, you cannot have a hasty generalization fallacy when you employ a strawman. When one uses a logical fallacy that cannot be used to justify the claim that others have used a logical fallacy.

Some Christians interpreted the Bible as supporting slavery. In fact by the standard of this forum it does. For example there are rules on discussing homosexuality that results in such threads getting shut down. Merely supporting equal rights for homosexuals is called "promoting homosexuality". The Old Testament tells you who you can buy slaves from, how you can pass them on to your children. How they are your property. By the same standard as applied to arguments that merely support the right to marry for gays the Bible "promotes slavery". Please do not misinterpret this. It does not say that people should go out and buy slaves any more than a person supporting marriage equality is telling you that straight people should marry people of the same sex.

This raises the question of why didn't God just outlaw slavery? He could outlaw things as trivial as wearing mixed fabrics. Why not outlaw a process that they knew was wrong when it was applied to fellow Hebrews? The Old Testament only allowed the equivalent of indentured servitude for themselves (though there was a way around that too).
 
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The OT implicitly condones it by describing how to obtain slaves and how to treat them.
Well I gotta get one first, and that ain't gonna happen until I give in and believe the Bible condones it.

Then I'll have to lobby to have the 13th Amendment repealed.

Then I'll have to learn how to treat them and how not to.

Maybe you can give me some pointers? instead of just telling me the Bible condones it?
 
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You could always rework your science v. bible algorithm as a US law v. bible algorithm, follow the biblical code and see how that works out for you.
 
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You could always rework your science v. bible algorithm as a US law v. bible algorithm, follow the biblical code and see how that works out for you.
Uh-huh. You make a good point.

If we all interpreted the Bible like you guys do, we'd all be in jail, wouldn't we?
 
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Uh-huh. You make a good point.

If we all interpreted the Bible like you guys do, we'd all be in jail, wouldn't we?

Whether my point was good or not, you seem to have missed it.
 
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That's interesting. What exactly is your point? That earlier Americans were bad people? Or are you just stating it as is without a point? I think in your vacuum you present Christianity is both responsible for the starting and ending slavery.
 
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So your point is to refute the idea that Christians worked to end slavery by saying they started it?
 
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Some Christians...
Yes some Christians say all kinds of things, some atheists say the same things. You can't use what "some Christians" say to claim what is Christian and what is not. Just as some Christians endorse x... Some Christians reject x. If you understood the law you would understand that mixing thread/grains and positions taken of slavery have analogous meanings as the law is a system of bondage by design and the Jews were called to be set apart, not mixed, waiting for the one to release the bondage
 
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