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It would seem to be in keeping with the OT.Would it be Biblical for Christians to vote to have the 13th Amendment repealed?
Why on Earth should I?if so, will you fight for their right to do so?
To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall:Why on Earth should I?
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
How is that relevant?To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Well, I was just wondering, if you think the Bible supports slavery at all, if you would be willing to join in and assist any Christians who seek to repeal the 13th Amendment?How is that relevant?
I repeat, why on Earth would I? I don't agree with slavery, and as a non-American I have no relevant interest or influence in changing the US constitution.Well, I was just wondering, if you think the Bible supports slavery at all, if you would be willing to join in and assist any Christians who seek to repeal the 13th Amendment?
Neither does God.I don't agree with slavery,
Nevermind, Alfred strikes again, I hope.To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall:
Going back it seems to be push back from something @Tanj wrote back in post #16
The implication of this post is Christianity values slavery on some level and even started slavery which is quite a statement. But just like the no true Scotsman fallacy we can't claim these slavers aren't true Christians neither can we point to characteristics or actions of slavers and their slaver identity and call them uniquely Christian which is a hasty generalization fallacy. So the point is lost. Because slavers were Christians doesn't mean we can blame slavery on Christianity or say Christianity values or endorses slavery
The OT implicitly condones it by describing how to obtain slaves and how to treat them.... why would you say the Old Testament supports it, when the Old Testament is actually prohibiting violence against them?
Going back it seems to be push back from something @Tanj wrote back in post #16
Interesting that he appeals to God. Also, history records that he did nothing whatsoever about slavery. Nothing. The title of his non-peer reviewed book had an original title later edited as it used “favored races” in it. He was not referring to humans but still it had to edited.
The christians worked to end slavery because we see God creating all men equal. This would not come from the evolutionary theory. Quite the opposite actually.
The implication of this post is Christianity values slavery on some level and even started slavery which is quite a statement.
If that were true back than, perhaps you can explain the genocide of Native Americans by Christians if they saw all men as being created equal before God.The christians worked to end slavery because we see God creating all men equal.
Going back it seems to be push back from something @Tanj wrote back in post #16
The implication of this post is Christianity values slavery on some level and even started slavery which is quite a statement. But just like the no true Scotsman fallacy we can't claim these slavers aren't true Christians neither can we point to characteristics or actions of slavers and their slaver identity and call them uniquely Christian which is a hasty generalization fallacy. So the point is lost. Because slavers were Christians doesn't mean we can blame slavery on Christianity or say Christianity values or endorses slavery
interesting contextual point.This raises the question of why didn't God just outlaw slavery? He could outlaw things as trivial as wearing mixed fabrics.
Well I gotta get one first, and that ain't gonna happen until I give in and believe the Bible condones it.The OT implicitly condones it by describing how to obtain slaves and how to treat them.
Well I gotta get one first, and that ain't gonna happen until I give in and believe the Bible condones it.
Then I'll have to lobby to have the 13th Amendment repealed.
Then I'll have to learn how to treat them and how not to.
Maybe you can give me some pointers? instead of just telling me the Bible condones it?
Uh-huh. You make a good point.You could always rework your science v. bible algorithm as a US law v. bible algorithm, follow the biblical code and see how that works out for you.
Uh-huh. You make a good point.
If we all interpreted the Bible like you guys do, we'd all be in jail, wouldn't we?
That's interesting. What exactly is your point? That earlier Americans were bad people? Or are you just stating it as is without a point? I think in your vacuum you present Christianity is both responsible for the starting and ending slavery.No one was blaming slavery *on Christianity*. In reaction to a simplistic claim that slavery was ended *because* of Christianity, it was pointed out many times that Christians dominated *both* sides of the American slavery debate. Both used at time biblical justification for their support for or opposition to slavery. Both the NT and OT provide material that can be used by either side -- and it was.
As I recall, there were slaveholders who wouldn't allow their slaves to converted by local preachers, lest they get ideas about freedom or salvation, while other slaveholders thought it their solemn Christian duty to forcibly convert their non-Christian slaves.
So your point is to refute the idea that Christians worked to end slavery by saying they started it?You need to go back further, to post 11
Quite an incorrect statement, as it turns out. No such implication was present. It was DM that claimed "the Christians". worked to end slavery whereas evolutionary theory would have kept it. The point of my post, done in a clearly sarcastic style, was that it was "the Christians". that started slavery in the USA in the first place, 200 years before evolution was described.
Yes some Christians say all kinds of things, some atheists say the same things. You can't use what "some Christians" say to claim what is Christian and what is not. Just as some Christians endorse x... Some Christians reject x. If you understood the law you would understand that mixing thread/grains and positions taken of slavery have analogous meanings as the law is a system of bondage by design and the Jews were called to be set apart, not mixed, waiting for the one to release the bondageSome Christians...
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