MY favorite arguments for the existence of the Christian God:

DavidFirth · Nov 17, 2017

HitchSlap said:
You mean like someone who is really dedicated to not collecting stamps?

No. If you're going to be willingly obstinate just forget it.

Waggles · Nov 17, 2017

Dave RP said:
1. The same argument applies to Muslims and hundreds of other religions and to children who believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. Just because a lot of people believe something does not mean it's true.

This truly applies to Darwinism and evolution.
It ain't true just coz people believe in this nonsense.

HitchSlap · Nov 17, 2017

DavidFirth said:
No. If you're going to be willingly obstinate just forget it.

You used a term that describes 'full commitment,' to describe a position that requires nothing on one's part to hold. Unless you were being ironic, you need to clarify what you meant.

HitchSlap · Nov 17, 2017

Waggles said:
This truly applies to Darwinism and evolution.
It ain't true just coz people believe in this nonsense.

Right, it's true whether you believe in it or not.

Obliquinaut · Nov 17, 2017

DavidFirth said:
You don't understand the phrase?

I don't understand how it applies to my spiritual journey which took years and years and lots of anguish.

Normally I assume when one "sells out" that is a negative activity.

Obliquinaut · Nov 17, 2017

Waggles said:
This truly applies to Darwinism and evolution.

Incorrect. Evolution has the broad consensus because it seems to effectively explain the data that we have. It is NOT the dominant theory because everyone likes it. Everyone likes it because it explains the data.

It ain't true just coz people believe in this nonsense.

And thankfully that is precisely how science works. It isn't true just because a bunch of people like it or believe it without evidence. It has to have significant evidence and explanatory power in regards to the data.

Thankfully evolution has those things!

HitchSlap · Nov 17, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
I don't understand how it applies to my spiritual journey which took years and years and lots of anguish.

Normally I assume when one "sells out" that is a negative activity.

He won't come out and say it, but he's implying the 'it takes just as much faith to be an atheist blah blah,' canard.

Obliquinaut · Nov 17, 2017

HitchSlap said:
He won't come out and say it, but he's implying the 'it takes just as much faith to be an atheist blah blah,' canard.

Hmmm. I am still confused by the phrase "sell out".

bhsmte · Nov 17, 2017

Waggles said:
This truly applies to Darwinism and evolution.
It ain't true just coz people believe in this nonsense.

No, the evidence helps though.

bhsmte · Nov 17, 2017

HitchSlap said:
You used a term that describes 'full commitment,' to describe a position that requires nothing on one's part to hold. Unless you were being ironic, you need to clarify what you meant.

Good luck getting that clarification.

HitchSlap · Nov 17, 2017

bhsmte said:
Good luck getting that clarification.

Yep, he seems to have left the building.

bhsmte · Nov 17, 2017

DavidFirth said:
See Romans 1:20. It is obvious God exists. It's common sense.

How so?

bhsmte · Nov 17, 2017

DavidFirth said:
Sadly, you sold out due to a lack of faith. It happens.

Or he just couldnt convince himself something exists, when he cant reconcile this existance, with well evidenced reality.

Dont worry though, you can still believe what you like.

bhsmte · Nov 17, 2017

Why is this in the science thread? I dont see any science.

AV1611VET · Nov 17, 2017

bhsmte said:
How so?

It's simple physics.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1. Edifices:

2. Literature:

3. Holidays:

4. Songs:

5. Artwork:

6. History:

AV1611VET · Nov 17, 2017

bhsmte said:
Why is this in the science thread? I dont see any science.

Ya ... it's called empirical science.

And since the optic nerve is connected to the brain, which keeps the heart ... well ... somewhere along the way there's a blockage that occurs.

Obliquinaut · Nov 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
3. Holidays:

QED! (Thankfully we no longer call it "Saturnalia"!)

4. Songs:

C'mon man, how about this one!

If someone can listen to "Oh Buddha" and NOT come out on the other side as a Christian it would be a miracle!

5. Artwork:

This is the best Christian artwork you could find? Really???

HitchSlap · Nov 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
It's simple physics.

You crack me up.

2PhiloVoid · Nov 17, 2017

Obliquinaut said:
Hmmm. I am still confused by the phrase "sell out".

He means that you voluntarily and completely gave yourself over to "the dark side."

DavidFirth · Nov 17, 2017

Anything that isn't totally secular in nature isn't science.

- atheists

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