My Enoch Challenge

[HitchSlap]

For the record, I was a DC man, not Marvel.

I know all the JLA members, their secret identities, and their weaknesses; and can recite GL's mantra when he powers his ring up.

Marvel comics ... never got into it.

(But I do know most of Spider Man's theme song! )

And some people are Buhda men. What’s your point?

 

[HitchSlap]

That's a shame.

If you say so.

 

[Kylie]

Why should I? You don't take God seriously.

I don't take YOU seriously, because your arguments are terrible.

If you actually used some logic and decent arguments, then I'd take them seriously.

But when your argument is nothing but, "This is what I believe, and anything that agrees with me is right, and anything that disagrees with me is wrong," then why should I take you seriously?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't take YOU seriously, because your arguments are terrible.

They only seem terrible because you guys will do anything to nullify it, and it ends up backfiring on you and keeping you from understanding.

 

[Colter]

Produce evidence that verifies this:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

... or admit that there are things God did that didn't generate any.

There is no evidence that God did these things even though I believe that Enoch translated. The UB explains what happened. There is evidence that other claims made by the authors of scripture did not happen.

Elijah also translated to the Mansion worlds. Other unnoted people in history have also moved on without the need to pass through natural death. In the advanced stages of more normal worlds translation becomes more and more common. Candidates for Translation will be notified of their impending departure. Friends and loved ones will gather to bid farewell to their loved ones who are consumed by the flames of spirit and move on.

Eventually, in the future of our world, the faithful will translate on to the next place.

Hebrews 11



5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death. He could not be found, because God had taken him away.a For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They only seem terrible because you guys will do anything to nullify it, and it ends up backfiring on you and keeping you from understanding.

Not true -- everyone understands that your arguments are terrible.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no evidence that God did these things even though I believe that Enoch translated.

Fine.

Then admit God has done things without leaving evidence behind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not true -- everyone understands that your arguments are terrible.

I'm sure that's what the prophets of Baal thought about Elijah's arguments as well.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm sure that's what the prophets of Baal thought about Elijah's arguments as well.

Probably. But you're no Elijah, so it's a moot point.

Remember, AV -- they laughed at Jesus and they laughed at Paul... but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

 

[Colter]

Fine.

Then admit God has done things without leaving evidence behind.

That's obvious, not only has God done things for which there is no evidence, humans have done things for which there is no evidence.
Just because there are true things in scripture for which there is no evidence doesn't mean that every claim made by the authors of scripture is true. The first untrue claim made by the authors of scripture is that God wrote them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remember, AV -- they laughed at Jesus and they laughed at Paul... but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

Did they nail Bozo the Clown to a cross after laughing at him?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's obvious,

Then why are you the first person to do so?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Did they nail Bozo the Clown to a cross after laughing at him?

No, and nobody's going to nail you to a cross after laughing at you. If you're looking for a historical figure to model yourself after, take heart.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, and nobody's going to nail you to a cross after laughing at you.

That's because this Christian nation has the Bill of Rights that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

 

[Colter]

Then why are you the first person to do so?

I don’t think I’m the first person to trust historical accounts on faith, nor am I the first person to question the varacity of the claims of the church.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's because this Christian nation has the Bill of Rights that insures no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil.

But it does have pretty stiff penalties for treason and sedition -- which was the charge the Romans finally nailed Jesus (figuratively and literally) for.

Fret not, AV -- your far too amusing to be treasonous.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it does have pretty stiff penalties for treason and sedition -- which was the charge the Romans finally nailed Jesus (figuratively and literally) for.

Is that why they had to suborn some to perjury?

Mark 14:55 And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.
56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
59 But neither so did their witness agree together.

Remember how the ACLU got the ball rolling against Creation being taught in high schools?

Kinda makes you proud, doesn't it?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is that why they had to suborn some to perjury?

Mark 14:55 And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.
56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
59 But neither so did their witness agree together.

But of course -- What better way to get Jesus out of their hair while publicly establishing their own loyalty to Rome?

Two birds, one stone.

 

[Kylie]

They only seem terrible because you guys will do anything to nullify it, and it ends up backfiring on you and keeping you from understanding.

No, they seem terrible because you apply logic inconsistently.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, they seem terrible because you apply logic inconsistently.

Logical: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.
Theological: 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.