My Enoch Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Yo! Sup AV!

Hey, buddy!

How you doing?

Dandy as candy!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Thank you and back atcha, my friend!

 

[eclipsenow]

Yeah, thanksgiving. What a great national holiday!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, thanksgiving. What a great national holiday!

That's your idea of our Thanksgiving, is it?

 

[eclipsenow]

Hey, I didn't put it that way myself but the history seems to back that summary statement.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey, I didn't put it that way myself but the history seems to back that summary statement.

Maybe you should check your own closet first, eh?

Another consequence of British colonisation was European seizure of land and water resources, with the decimation of kangaroo and other indigenous foodstuffs which continued throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries as rural lands were converted for sheep and cattle grazing. In 1819, Governor Macquarrie declared total warfare against the Walpuri people of Western New South Wales, waging a war of extermination against them. Settlers also participated in the rape and forcible prostitution of Aboriginal women. Despite this a number of Europeans, including convicts, formed favourable impressions of Aboriginal life through living with Aboriginal Groups.

SOURCE

And while you're at it, what happened to the Darug people? in your opinion?

And while I see you guys don't have a Thanksgiving Day per se, qv your national anthem:

 

[Kylie]

Maybe you should check your own closet first, eh?


SOURCE

And while you're at it, what happened to the Darug people? in your opinion?

And while I see you guys don't have a Thanksgiving Day per se, qv your national anthem:

So what? I freely admit that Australia has done some pretty bad stuff, but do you think that excuses what America has done?

 

[eclipsenow]

Maybe you should check your own closet first, eh?


SOURCE

And while you're at it, what happened to the Darug people? in your opinion?

And while I see you guys don't have a Thanksgiving Day per se, qv your national anthem:

I have checked my closet, and it full of death and destruction and decay. I grieve my closet, especially as a Christian. I am sad for any part Christendom might have played in encouraging the "White man's burden" that may have contributed to the smug imperialism of the colonial era. Indeed, I hope an upcoming documentary "For the love of God, how the church is better and worse than you could ever imagine" covers some of the horrors in Australian history, and that they ask for forgiveness on the part of the ignorance or culpability of some of our ancestors!

So again, how can you as a Christian participate in a Thanksgiving tradition that goes back to a bunch of Pilgrims that went and slaughtered a neighbouring indigenous village and then came back and had a prayer service in thanks for it!

 

[AV1611VET]

So again, how can you as a Christian participate in a Thanksgiving tradition that goes back to a bunch of Pilgrims that went and slaughtered a neighbouring indigenous village and then came back and had a prayer service in thanks for it!

Is that what academia teaches you?

Although prayers and thanks were probably offered at the 1621 harvest gathering, the first recorded religious Thanksgiving Day in Plymouth happened two years later in 1623. On this occasion, the colonists gave thanks to God for rain after a two-month drought.

SOURCE

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is that what academia teaches you?


SOURCE

So it was in 1621. Thanks for confirming what "academia" says.

(And by the way, AV -- you're an adult; you can use adult sources...)

 

[AV1611VET]

So it was in 1621.

And so it was.

Thanks for confirming what "academia" says.

Did you read the whole article? it's a short one.

(And by the way, AV -- you're an adult; you can use adult sources...)

Too embarrassing, was it? not enough information?

How much information does it take to say, "You're wrong"?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

And so it was.

Did you read the whole article? it's a short one.

Too embarrassing, was it? not enough information?

How much information does it take to say, "You're wrong"?

Your source says it was a harvest celebration. So do you accept that now or still want to deny it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your source says it was a harvest celebration. So do you accept that now or still want to deny it?

Yes, it was a harvest celebration.

Just like Christmas was a birthday and Easter was a resurrection day.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How much information does it take to say, "You're wrong"?

More than you're willing to look for, let alone look through...

History of Thanksgiving - Thanksgiving - HISTORY.com

The History of the First Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving’s hidden past: Plymouth in 1621 wasn’t close to being the first celebration

https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015...ilgrims-who-celebrated-the-first-thanksgiving

 

[AV1611VET]

More than you're willing to look for, let alone look through...

History of Thanksgiving - Thanksgiving - HISTORY.com

From your first link:

In November 1621, after the Pilgrims’ first corn harvest proved successful, Governor William Bradford organized a celebratory feast and invited a group of the fledgling colony’s Native American allies, including the Wampanoag chief Massasoit.

Pilgrims held their second Thanksgiving celebration in 1623 to mark the end of a long drought that had threatened the year’s harvest and prompted Governor Bradford to call for a religious fast. Days of fasting and thanksgiving on an annual or occasional basis became common practice in other New England settlements as well.

It's funny, professor, I can't seem to find anything along the line:

So again, how can you as a Christian participate in a Thanksgiving tradition that goes back to a bunch of Pilgrims that went and slaughtered a neighbouring indigenous village and then came back and had a prayer service in thanks for it!

 

[AirPo]

How many necros does it take to get to then center of a Tootsie Pop?

 

[AV1611VET]

How many necros does it take to get to then center of a Tootsie Pop?

Three!

 

[AirPo]

Three!

A challenge with an answer!

 

[AV1611VET]

A challenge with an answer!

I cheated!

 

[AirPo]

I cheated!

You do realize that's an accurate dating method?

 

[TLK Valentine]

From your first link:


It's funny, professor, I can't seem to find anything along the line:

That' because you don't know (and wouldn't care if you had) that the Natives the Pilgrims were allied to were at war with a rival tribe...

Think about it -- do you think the natives helped the pilgrims out of altruism? Hardly. It was a trade... what did the pilgrims have that the natives didn't?

Guns.

When I get back home, I can tell you about the tribe they fought against.