My Enoch Challenge

[razeontherock]

The Atlantian crystal- vrill subs haven't left any evidence behind.

LOLWUT? You've seen the bahamian aquarium?!? What more do you need?

 

[Davian]

No; turning away is not a question of what you're thinking, but is a matter of the heart. And you are the last person to know what might be in your own heart ... not knowing G-d, you have no valid feedback as to your own heart's condition re: G-d. Whereas the things you state, I have wrestled with myself, and expect I will again.

There is that presupposition (deities can exist, do exist, and you've got the right one) that I mentioned. And while I understand the colloquialism, my heart is for pumping blood. From an ignostic point of viewpoint, it would seem to me you are talking grape nuts and carburetors.

I was thinking that to myself even as I wrote it. I'm glad this occurred to you, and hope one of those (near infinite, no doubt) options was indeed the case.

Note that I do not use the 'presuppositionalism' label as a pejorative; I just think it applies to your approach, and if you had issue with this, you would have said so earlier. While I find it different than preaching, it has about the same effect on me (Grape nuts? And I don't even have a carburetor!).

If you feel that is what I did, I would love to see that demonstrated. It annoys me no end when someone just quotes an entire long post, to only comment on one idea, or worse yet, gives a QFT or something. I'm usually very diligent to make sure I don't alter intent, but maybe lately I've slipped? The feedback would be appreciated ...

I can see that you didn't even put a period where you clipped off the last five words of the sentence in question. That being said, I am in agreement that posts can be edited for brevity, and where I do so I do attempt to make that clear with '...' or '<snip>'. Perhaps you should consider a similar approach.

 

[razeontherock]

There is that presupposition (deities can exist, do exist, and you've got the right one) that I mentioned.

There is your pretense that this is mere supposition (which isn't at all the presuppositionalism you referred to earlier)

And while I understand the colloquialism, my heart is for pumping blood. From an ignostic point of viewpoint, it would seem to me you are talking grape nuts and carburetors.

Ya know, I speak atheist-ese all the time on here. I could take this attitude with y'all. Maybe I should for a year just so you can see how utterly absurd the way you hide from known facts is. (Hmmm, what to name Nathan Poe's alter-ego?)

Note that I do not use the 'presuppositionalism' label as a pejorative; I just think it applies to your approach, and if you had issue with this, you would have said so earlier.

Your ignorance, arrogance, AND 2 bits still won't buy you a cup of coffee.

I can see that you didn't even put a period where you clipped off the last five words of the sentence in question. That being said, I am in agreement that posts can be edited for brevity, and where I do so I do attempt to make that clear with '...' or '<snip>'. Perhaps you should consider a similar approach.

Aaaah ... how 'bout - NO? If you have to be that anal, I suggest curling up in a corner and crying.

 

[Davian]

There is your pretense that this is mere supposition (which isn't at all the presuppositionalism you referred to earlier)



Ya know, I speak atheist-ese all the time on here. I could take this attitude with y'all. Maybe I should for a year just so you can see how utterly absurd the way you hide from known facts is. (Hmmm, what to name Nathan Poe's alter-ego?)



Your ignorance, arrogance, AND 2 bits still won't buy you a cup of coffee.



Aaaah ... how 'bout - NO? If you have to be that anal, I suggest curling up in a corner and crying.

Yes, I can be that anal, but I am past the crying stage but as you are down to name-calling now, I won't ask about those 'facts' of yours.

 

[Illuminaughty]

According to Dr Timothy Leary the anal-emotional-territorial is the 2nd circuit of human consciousness. Some folks have a very strong imprint on this circuit.

2. The Emotional Circuit is concerned with raw emotion and the separation of behavior into submissive and dominant. This circuit appeared first in vertebrate animals. In humans, it is activated when the child learns to walk. Leary associates this circuit with alcohol. This circuit introduces a second dimension, up-down, linked with territorial politics and tribal power games (up, as in swelling ones body in size to represent dominance, and down, as in the cowering, tail-between-the-legs submissive stance; called by Robert Anton Wilson the "Anal Emotional Territorial Circuit" in reference to the anal stage of human development from Freudian Psychology).


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[razeontherock]

In humans, it is activated when the child learns to walk. Leary associates this circuit with alcohol.

So that must be why babies walk like they're drunk

the anal stage of human development

I'm not touching that one, but some seem over-developed

 

[quatona]

Produce evidence that verifies this:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

... or admit that there are things God did that didn't generate any.

I have never understood how the unfalsifiability of a claim is supposed to lend any credibility to it.

 

[Norman321]

I have never understood how the unfalsifiability of a claim is supposed to lend any credibility to it.

It is a question of what could be. If in science you design a bridge, then they discover that there could be a problem and the bridge could fall down, then you got to fix it.

With science and the Bible a lot of what we know is well proven. There are other things where there is a chance they are not true. But all the evidence points to the truth and you have to ignore evidence to arrive at a different conclusion.

Even with evolution, there is a lot that has been proven beyond any doubt. Of course they use this like a shell game to try and get you to accept what has not been proven and most likely is not true.

 

[Norman321]

in reference to the anal stage of human development from Freudian Psychology).

When you potty train a child you want them to learn how to gain control over their body functions. But in some cases the mother tries to be in control. At least according to Dr Fraud, and I am sure his apprentice Dr Spook would go along with that.

 

[quatona]

With science and the Bible a lot of what we know is well proven. There are other things where there is a chance they are not true. But all the evidence points to the truth and you have to ignore evidence to arrive at a different conclusion.

If I am not entirely mistaken, the OP - contrary to your statement - pointed out that there is no evidence for the event in question (and implied that no evidence could possibly be produced).

 

[Norman321]

If I am not entirely mistaken, the OP - contrary to your statement - pointed out that there is no evidence for the event in question (and implied that no evidence could possibly be produced).

Then they know nothing about the Bible. God always provides some evidence. People always leave evidence behind. Police count on that when the go to solve a crime.

 

[quatona]

Then they know nothing about the Bible. God always provides some evidence. People always leave evidence behind. Police count on that when the go to solve a crime.

OK - this would be a discussion between you and AV.

 

[Tiberius]

Nice deflection. What evidence does a submarine leave behind?

It leaves a wake, it creates sound, it creates distortions in the magnetic field of the Earth...

 

[razeontherock]

It leaves a wake, it creates sound, it creates distortions in the magnetic field of the Earth...

And these things last how long, before they dissipate?

 

[Elendur]

And these things last how long, before they dissipate?

They don't. Though if you're asking how long it takes before we're unable to measure them... That's another story

 

[razeontherock]

A submarine's wake, sound, and distortion of the magnetic field of the entire earth is eternal? (Somehow I'm doubting that)

 

[Tiberius]

Technically, yes. I'm not sure about the magnetic distortion, but the sound waves and wake will propogate, because they are formed by energy. Eventually they will disipate as they are overwhelmed by more powerful waves or the energy is eventually transformed into heat, but remember that old saying how you can't destroy energy, just change it from one form into another? That applies.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then they know nothing about the Bible. God always provides some evidence. People always leave evidence behind. Police count on that when the go to solve a crime.

Then you tell us -- you're the one who thinks it happened.

 

[mzungu]

Don't need a link.

The Ark was made of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood' -- which, of course, is nothing more than copper, mixed with trace elements, called "pitch" -- (probably carbon for hardness).

Keep in mind that Noah's predecessors were top-notch metallurgists.

Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.

How many torpedoes did it carry? Was it nuclear powered? Were the electronics made in the USA or were they made in Israel. You need to give us more specifications; Now don't start on the secrecy act as 6 millennia is more than enough to render those secrets free for public view!

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Produce evidence that verifies this:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

... or admit that there are things God did that didn't generate any.

Have you stopped beating your wife, yet?