My DNA Challenge

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But you said he wasn't. So now you are changing your tune, explaining why you said that, but didn't actually MEAN that...

No I'm not. I said God isn't the author of confusion, speaking about His Word. That He sent confusion to people in scripture stories is a different subject. There was also some instruction to lie to certain people in the OT, I'm rereading that again and noticed that. So, I'm not changing my tune, I'm just talking about something else and you seem to be trying to be super technical about it and say its the same thing but you are incorrect about that.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Hi there!

Okay, so God creates apes in Genesis 1, all having the same DNA.

Then, when He creates man, He creates man with almost the same DNA, but a percentage (2%?) of it is different.

After all, His goal is to create man in His image & likeness.

Show how this is deceptive.

Hi back!

Okay, so God creates hedgehogs in Genesis 1, all having the same DNA.

Then, when He creates echidnas, He creates echidnas with almost exactly the same niche role as hedgehogs right down to being startlingly similar in look and feel, yet a huge percentage of their genomes are different.

After all, His goal is to create man in His image & likeness and from the hedgehog and echidna example, could've made DNA of Man totally unique in concordance with this objective, yet it looks nearly identical to the other great apes as if we shared a recent common ancestor.

Show how this is not deceptive.

 

[Dave-W]

Can you provide any kind of reason at all for any designer to make an animal in such a way? Can ANYONE provide any kind of reason at all for any designer to make an animal in such a way?

A similar question could be "Why would anyone want to make a jumping car?"

There may be no good reason for either design that would make sense to any of us; aside from the designer wanted to do that.

 

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A similar question could be "Why would anyone want to make a jumping car?"

There may be no good reason for either design that would make sense to any of us; aside from the designer wanted to do that.

Man that's a pretty good analogy right there, lol. Right too!
Because He's God. Yeah.

 

[Skreeper]

Was it my gullibility that God sent an Angel to me to give me 2400 for some junk at my garage sale? To help me...

Yeah, must'a been, Lol

Are you saying that you saw a real angel appear and give you money? What did that thing look like?

 

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Are you saying that you saw a real angel appear and give you money? What did that thing look like?

You didn't read it...

Oh my gosh, click click and read it "Miracles and Testimonies"

I'll tell you this much here, but I'm not going to rewrite it for you here. The Angel appeared as a man to me. About 5'11", stocky and fit looking, drove a nice older pick-up truck. Well groomed, well spoken.

You've had garage sales before. He didn't try to talk me down in price. He talked it up. I had been evicted for 2 months behind on rent (1000 a month + other woes) and I prayed for help. He came, and kept saying, How much do you need? How much do you need? and so forth. Garage sale customers do not talk like that.
He gave me 2400 bucks for mayybe 900-1000 worth of household knick knacks (originally) stuff left over from my 26 year marriage that she didn't take and I didn't want, being a man da da da.

Go read it, it's much more involved than that summary. It is the very first testimony in the thread.

Here, I'll make it easy for you with no searching.
A link to the thread:
Miracles and Testimonies

Oh...I'm sorry Brother. I got you mixed up with another poster. This is not a response to what I said to the other guy, you just read it and asked a question. My apologies Brother. It's a good testimony, but please forgive my comments about oh you didn't read it and I'm not going to rewrite it for you...I (Doh) thought I was responding to someone else.

 

[HitchSlap]

You didn't read it...

Oh my gosh, click click and read it "Miracles and Testimonies"

I'll tell you this much here, but I'm not going to rewrite it for you here. The Angel appeared as a man to me. About 5'11", stocky and fit looking, drove a nice older pick-up truck. Well groomed, well spoken.

You've had garage sales before. He didn't try to talk me down in price. He talked it up. I had been evicted for 2 months behind on rent (1000 a month + other woes) and I prayed for help. He came, and kept saying, How much do you need? How much do you need? and so forth. Garage sale customers do not talk like that.
He gave me 2400 bucks for mayybe 900-1000 worth of household knick knacks (originally) stuff left over from my 26 year marriage that she didn't take and I didn't want, being a man da da da.

Go read it, it's much more involved than that summary. It is the very first testimony in the thread.

Here, I'll make it easy for you with no searching.
A link to the thread:
Miracles and Testimonies

Just because you don’t know his motives for paying more than you expect, at a time you needed money, does not an angel make.

 

[Skreeper]

You didn't read it...

Oh my gosh, click click and read it "Miracles and Testimonies"

I'll tell you this much here, but I'm not going to rewrite it for you here. The Angel appeared as a man to me. About 5'11", stocky and fit looking, drove a nice older pick-up truck. Well groomed, well spoken.

You've had garage sales before. He didn't try to talk me down in price. He talked it up. I had been evicted for 2 months behind on rent (1000 a month + other woes) and I prayed for help. He came, and kept saying, How much do you need? How much do you need? and so forth. Garage sale customers do not talk like that.
He gave me 2400 bucks for mayybe 900-1000 worth of household knick knacks (originally) stuff left over from my 26 year marriage that she didn't take and I didn't want, being a man da da da.

Go read it, it's much more involved than that summary. It is the very first testimony in the thread.

Here, I'll make it easy for you with no searching.
A link to the thread:
Miracles and Testimonies

Oh...I'm sorry Brother. I got you mixed up with another poster. This is not a response to what I said to the other guy, you just read it and asked a question. My apologies Brother. It's a good testimony, but please forgive my comments about oh you didn't read it and I'm not going to rewrite it for you...I (Doh) thought I was responding to someone else.

So I read it but it appears that it only was a very nice and generous guy. I don't see how you can determine that he was a supernatural entity because that seems pretty far fetched to me. You have to honestly ask yourself what is more plausible: Did a supernatural entity visit you and gave you more money than your stuff was worth or was it just a nice human being in a generous mood?

 

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So I read it but it appears that it only was a very nice and generous guy. I don't see how you can determine that he was a supernatural entity because that seems pretty far fetched to me. You have to honestly ask yourself what is more plausible: Did a supernatural entity visit you and gave you more money than your stuff was worth or was it just a nice human being in a generous mood?

What's more plausible? That it was a supernatural entity! Do you know anyone who goes to garage sales and pays like that? Talks themselves Up? How much do you need? I don't. That stuff was old house stuff. Knick knacks. Originally worth mayyybe a grand brand new. Used and stuff, garage sale...what 3 or 4 hundred?

Unless maybe it was you, come to be nice, lol.

Within two hours of praying too. Nah, I prayed abut it and thanked God, and such a feeling of peace came over me...that, I know it was Him. You don't have to believe it. I know.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You didn't read it...

Oh my gosh, click click and read it "Miracles and Testimonies"

I'll tell you this much here, but I'm not going to rewrite it for you here. The Angel appeared as a man to me. About 5'11", stocky and fit looking, drove a nice older pick-up truck. Well groomed, well spoken.

You've had garage sales before. He didn't try to talk me down in price. He talked it up. I had been evicted for 2 months behind on rent (1000 a month + other woes) and I prayed for help. He came, and kept saying, How much do you need? How much do you need? and so forth. Garage sale customers do not talk like that.
He gave me 2400 bucks for mayybe 900-1000 worth of household knick knacks (originally) stuff left over from my 26 year marriage that she didn't take and I didn't want, being a man da da da.

Go read it, it's much more involved than that summary. It is the very first testimony in the thread.

Here, I'll make it easy for you with no searching.
A link to the thread:
Miracles and Testimonies

Oh...I'm sorry Brother. I got you mixed up with another poster. This is not a response to what I said to the other guy, you just read it and asked a question. My apologies Brother. It's a good testimony, but please forgive my comments about oh you didn't read it and I'm not going to rewrite it for you...I (Doh) thought I was responding to someone else.

Uh... what about this guy actually distinguished him as an angel rather than just being a very generous person with money to burn?

I've heard of people make claims of interacting with angels and other supernatural things plenty on this site, and while they all were quite unsubstantiated, this just... perplexes me. You see, the other claims were actually extraordinary, with people having injuries miraculously healed, visions of the future, etc. This, on the other hand, is well within the realm of the mundane. Not a common occurrence, mind you, but some people do show grand gestures of generosity, like taking a homeless person into their home for months, getting them cleaned up, and help them find a job. Actions worthy of mentioning for sure, but human actions all the same.

 

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Uh... what about this guy actually distinguished him as an angel rather than just being a very generous person with money to burn?

I've heard of people make claims of interacting with angels and other supernatural things plenty on this site, and while they all were quite unsubstantiated, this just... perplexes me. You see, the other claims were actually extraordinary, with people having injuries miraculously healed, visions of the future, etc. This, on the other hand, is well within the realm of the mundane. Not a common occurrence, mind you, but some people do show grand gestures of generosity, like taking a homeless person into their home for months, getting them cleaned up, and help them find a job. Actions worthy of mentioning for sure, but human actions all the same.

Nothing distinguished him as an Angel. He appeared as a man.

Hebrews 13:2
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.../(KJV)

Angels appeared as men in many places in the Bible also. I suppose that there is room for doubt, but there's room for faith also. I know it was a ministering Angel dispatched to help me because I prayed for help. He didn't act like any garage sale customer that I've ever known. They always try to beat you down on the price. He wasn't some rich guy being generous. He didn't drive a Rolls Royce, He didn't talk rich. He didn't act like one with more cash than brains...I thought about all of this, I sized him up. I'm good at reading people. I've read a bunch of body language books, Psychology (why do people act the way they act?) was my hobby when I was young. This guy didn't fit the profile of people like of whom you speak.

I had just prayed...he kept asking, How much do you need?...and I couldn't put it together. Usually I can put it together real fast. I am in the service industry so have been in thousands upon thousands of homes over the years and met all sorts of people. I've worked in skid row, I've worked in 5 million dollar homes...I know people. Personally, I think he did a number on me so that I could not realize that he was an Angel while he was there. (I would've asked him a zillion questions!). Not until after he had left, and I was walking back downstairs, put my hand in my pocket and felt the money and said Praise the Lord, did it smack me in the face...that was an Angel. God answered my prayer and helped me out. It is the only explanation that would make sense. Aside from God quickening my spirit to basically say, you're welcome when I prayed my thanks. But I can't prove that, so you don't have to believe it.

But like I say, you don't have to believe it. I wont be offended if you do not. I know, and that's what's important.

 

[HitchSlap]

Nothing distinguished him as an Angel. He appeared as a man.

Hebrews 13:2
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.../(KJV)

Angels appeared as men in many places in the Bible also. I suppose that there is room for doubt, but there's room for faith also. I know it was a ministering Angel dispatched to help me because I prayed for help. He didn't act like any garage sale customer that I've ever known. They always try to beat you down on the price. He wasn't some rich guy being generous. He didn't drive a Rolls Royce, He didn't talk rich. He didn't act like one with more cash than brains...I thought about all of this, I sized him up. I'm good at reading people. I've read a bunch of body language books, Psychology (why do people act the way they act?) was my hobby when I was young. This guy didn't fit the profile of people like of whom you speak.

I had just prayed...he kept asking, How much do you need?...and I couldn't put it together. Usually I can put it together real fast. I am in the service industry so have been in thousands upon thousands of homes over the years and met all sorts of people. I've worked in skid row, I've worked in 5 million dollar homes...I know people. Personally, I think he did a number on me so that I could not realize that he was an Angel while he was there. (I would've asked him a zillion questions!). Not until after he had left, and I was walking back downstairs, put my hand in my pocket and felt the money and said Praise the Lord, did it smack me in the face...that was an Angel. God answered my prayer and helped me out. It is the only explanation that would make sense. Aside from God quickening my spirit to basically say, you're welcome when I prayed my thanks. But I can't prove that, so you don't have to believe it.

But like I say, you don't have to believe it. I wont be offended if you do not. I know, and that's what's important.

Confirmation bias can be a real bother sometimes.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Confirmation bias can be a real b@$+@r4 sometimes.

XD nice way to get past the automatic censors, but I don't think the mods would like that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

This guy didn't fit the profile of people like of whom you speak.

Ah, but all generalizations are false, including this one- Mark Twain. I would not have guessed that Niki Minaj was the sort to be willing to pay off the student loan debt of random people, but she has done that. Not everyone fits expectations.

I had just prayed...he kept asking, How much do you need?...and I couldn't put it together. Usually I can put it together real fast. I am in the service industry so have been in thousands upon thousands of homes over the years and met all sorts of people. I've worked in skid row, I've worked in 5 million dollar homes...I know people. Personally, I think he did a number on me so that I could not realize that he was an Angel while he was there. (I would've asked him a zillion questions!). Not until after he had left, and I was walking back downstairs, put my hand in my pocket and felt the money and said Praise the Lord, did it smack me in the face...that was an Angel. God answered my prayer and helped me out. It is the only explanation that would make sense. Aside from God quickening my spirit to basically say, you're welcome when I prayed my thanks. But I can't prove that, so you don't have to believe it.

I want you to think about this very carefully; what made YOUR prayer worth answering over the prayers of children begging their parents to survive an illness only to have them die? Over the prayers of people to end war? Over all the selfless prayers that are aimed at the benefit of others, why was your selfish prayer for more money answered by a god that recommends abandoning worldly wealth?

I'm not suggesting that your prayer wasn't worth answering, I am suggesting that you were making a request the god of the bible would not be likely to respond to. You probably have made tons of prayers just like that one that have never been answered, so why could this have not been coincidence?

But like I say, you don't have to believe it. I wont be offended if you do not. I know, and that's what's important.

Good for you, though I wish your account was one that could convert me. I've been looking for something like that for 9 years. Looks like I'll still be looking for a while...

 

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Ah, but all generalizations are false, including this one- Mark Twain. I would not have guessed that Niki Minaj was the sort to be willing to pay off the student loan debt of random people, but she has done that. Not everyone fits expectations.

Well but the thing is, The Angel was obviously in disguise, and appeared as a man (I couldn't tell the difference). It seems that God doesn't want His Angels to go around glowing and be openly seen widely, because He wants mankind to have faith in Him...unseen. There would be no room left about faith if God showed Himself that much. I believe that He can and does show Himself to men also, but it's one on one, for people who have a closer relationship with Him (I guess) so God does things through them. Heal people and such. Modern day Moses's sort of. God will eventually return and show Himself and all His glory, and every eye will see Him and every knee will bow at that point.
He is there. Real.

And I've learned that People largely have the wrong idea about Him. He really loves everybody, and I mean everybody, sooo much That...well crazy love for everyone. We throw in with Him and literally what now Lord? Continually, a lifestyle. That is having faith in Him and you have to trust Him...So I did it. Then He began moving in my life. Doing things...helping me! That's why I think that I have so many testimonies already. The scripture is true, it says, when you draw closer to God, then He will draw closer to you.

I'm no Moses nor an Elijah, but He's done enough to me that there is a pattern to it, and it is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Though I have not seen Him or beyond the veil yet. I will one day. I have no clue what's in store for me. All I know right now is, He told me to come to Ohio to live. That is the only reason that I would ever move from Colorful Colorado where I lived for the last, uh, 26 years. Ohio bites compared to Colorado. But I wanted to obey God. He told me to give my business in Colorado to my Son (one of them), and move back to Ohio where I'm from, but thought I had escaped...Lol.

I digress, sorry. Yeah the Angel was in disguise. I also suspect that he supernaturally made me not be able to think that he was Angel...maybe.

 

[Divide]

I want you to think about this very carefully; what made YOUR prayer worth answering over the prayers of children begging their parents to survive an illness only to have them die? Over the prayers of people to end war? Over all the selfless prayers that are aimed at the benefit of others, why was your selfish prayer for more money answered by a god that recommends abandoning worldly wealth?

I'm not suggesting that your prayer wasn't worth answering, I am suggesting that you were making a request the god of the bible would not be likely to respond to. You probably have made tons of prayers just like that one that have never been answered, so why could this have not been coincidence?

First off, I would like to point out, that...this is an excellent question. And I have an answer for you, because after the Lord saved my life in 2009, I got serious about drawing closer to God. I owe Him my life. So I've been studying the Bible, His Word. And I understand why. (It goes further than His word, His Spirit. Reveals things to my spirit. Revelation they call it. (About 60% of the entire Bible was given by visions and revelation!)

And, scripture teaches us that there will be much suffering in this earthly flesh life. Jesus suffered greatly when He was here and died on the cross. They crucified Him! So when we suffer in this life, He considers that suffering with Him, because we are in Him. (In Christ, Christ in us). So when we share in His suffering, then He will let us also share in His glory, after He comes again, and it's the day of the Lord, it's all over the. Judgments and rewards.

But The Lord is so very almighty, and is omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (All knowing) and Omnipresent (able to be everywhere at once), so He is able to be everywhere and have a personal relationship with everyone. He is no respecter of men and treats no one better than any other. SO we all have our share of suffering, and yet we all have our chance to have prayers answered...if we ask for Him to help us. In whatever way we have needs. I fully realize that even in my hard times, that I am rich as compared to some in the world who have nothing. I pray these people, sometimes I pray that God may put a little bit of their suffering upon me, so that perhaps...it may give them, to turn their heart to God once again, because they had a good day. And all it would mean for me is that I would have a bad day, perhaps in more pain than usual or something.

But then, who knows, maybe it's a refugee from where their fighting, and some widow saw her family shot down and her house destroyed so had to take off walking and had no spirit left mad at God...whatever. Yeah I'm rich. I was even homeless for the first time in my life a year or so ago. Got unexpectedly kicked out of my Bi-Polar niece's who went off her meds. I slept in my truck for two months. An adventure actually because I am rich (Lol) (comparatively)because I had camping gear. Coffee percolator, torches, camp stove, and related. It really wasn't that big of a deal. I'm used to camping I lived in Colorado, lol. I have been blessed with a super cab (open space behind the front seat) pickup truck to sleep in. (It runs on faith, 1995 lol) but it is much more than some have. And yet God does answer my prayers sometimes because He will and does for everyone. He's that Good. That is the only reason that I could even comprehend why would he answer my prayers. You are right. I don't deserve to have my prayers answered. I m nothing special. I am nothing. But He does!!! Her would for you too. The Bible says, ye have not because ye ask not.
It's...that...simple. Pray to Him. Pray more to Him. Pray unceasingly. Put the ball in His court. And obey Him. Be His representative. Love people, be cool. Helpful to others even perhaps moreso than to myself. I'm trying, and am doing better than before, but still, failing daily pretty much, Lol. But then I'm sorry Lord (get back up) He forgives. Life goes on. We have a lot to look forward too! I'm getting a better heart. I can feel the change and see the change within me. I am a work in progress of the Lord God.

Good answer?

 

[Divide]

Good for you, though I wish your account was one that could convert me. I've been looking for something like that for 9 years. Looks like I'll still be looking for a while...

Is that right?! Well...is it cool if I add you to my prayer list? I'd love to pray for you. It would be so cool, to not show up alone on the Day of the Lord. Look who I brought with me Lord! Even one soul, one person. Not be alone.

I'll pray for you to receive what you seek. You should pray too. He will answer eventually, I kid you not.

 

[Divide]

I've been called psycho in my lifetime, lol. God must Love psycho people, he made so many of them!

 

[AV1611VET]

I've been called psycho in my lifetime, lol. God must Love psycho people, he made so many of them!

How old are you, if I may ask?

I'm 63.

 

[Divide]

How old are you, if I may ask?

I'm 63.

Sure. I'm 55