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What are you talking about? This?
Exoneration Case Detail
If so, then I don't think it supports your argument too well.
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EternalDragon
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I gave you an entire passage of scripture where god is telling the Hebrews how and under what circumstances you can own, sell, and beat another human being, and you deny it. Unreal. Your cog. dis. is worse than I imagined.
You gave me passages in scripture where a person has sold THEMSELVES to someone to pay a debt. The owner pays the debt and then the servant must work it off. But they get paid, have a place to live and learn a trade, being treated as family. The rules listed are for servants who then refuse to work. They can't be kicked out because the debt needs worked off. In essence they are owned by the person paying their debt till it is paid of their own will.
Maybe learn a little Hebrew history and you wouldn't be making false accusations. Use a bit of wisdom and thinking.
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EternalDragon
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It matched the brother of a convicted felon that was already in jail and had his DNA on file. They found the real guy that way.
The person wrongly convicted was convicted by the wrong conclusions to the evidence. (Without DNA) Something evolution proponents on here say can't happen in criminal cases.
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You know, it's weird.
I'm looking down this list.
Exoneration Case Detail
And I see a lot of instances where eyewitness testimonies led to people being wrongly convicted, and I see a lot of instances where DNA testing led to them being exonerated...but I can't find any instances of DNA testing leading to wrongful convictions. Can you?
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He was convicted because of bad eyewitness testimony and exonerated because of DNA evidence and testing. How does this help your argument?
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EternalDragon
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None. If they had a slave and were found out the sentence is death.
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Really?
44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves
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EternalDragon
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The link on the Wiki said it matched a man in jail and led to his brother, William Brown. I guess I should not always go strictly by the Wiki.
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You mean DNA similarities are due to shared ancestry?
Do you know how DNA fingerprinting works? They don't sequence the entire genome. The only compare copy numbers for short tandem repeats (STR's) alleles. Let's say that there are 4 alleles for a single STR. If there is a match at that allele then it rules out 75% of the population, but 25% could still be a match. By testing many STR's they can reduce that percentage to a very small number to the point that you would only expect 2 or 3 people in the whole world to have those combinations of STR alleles. I think the magic number is usually around 12 or 15 alleles.
For chimps and humans, we have over 200,000 orthologous ERV's that match. This is way more markers than are used for DNA fingerprinting.
If shared DNA that falls into a nested hierarchy is not evidence for evolution, then what genetic evidence would you accept?
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Subduction Zone
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Wrong again. Do you need to see the verse that allows you to beat a slave until he is almost dead? Just make sure it takes as least three days for him to die and you are safe.
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Subduction Zone
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It helps us.
How often have you heard that the Bible was written by "eye witnesses" even though we know it wasn't. So Christians keep claiming that it was written based upon the least reliable type of evidence, and when it is looked into it is not even that. Even the Gospels are second, third or even fourth hand repeats of oral testimony. Most of it would be thrown out at a trial. What little that was left is the sort that ends up with the wrong person being convicted.
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EternalDragon
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Bondman and bondmaids. People with debt bondage. If you would care to look at passage 39 in Lev. 25 you will see they are talking about bondmen in debt bondage. Not slaves.
People that have large households pay the bondman or bondmaid's debts and then they have them as servants (workers) until the debt is paid off.
This was common in those times.
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Subduction Zone
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No, it was perfectly fine to own slaves of other nations. The bondsman and bondsmaids were Hebrew. There were limitations of what you could do with other Hebrews. Yet the Bible even tells how someone can make a fellow Hebrew a slave for life.
Do you need to see the verses again?
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EternalDragon
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The verse does not say "slave". It says servant and the servant was refusing to work. When someone pays the others debt off and then that person agrees in return to work it off but changes his mind and sits around, what would you do? Talk sternly to him? Throw him out? You need to be paid back that money. Do you let him have a free ride?
Also, if there were no rules then you could do anything you want with a servant. Do you want the bible to be silent on that in the passages that give all the laws for the land? Slavery (selling and buying humans) was a crime punishable by death.
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EternalDragon
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The bible says the world was created in six days and the animals and man in the forms we have today. Not apes. It says there was a world wide flood 4000 years ago. Do you need to see the verses again?
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