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Focusing on whether or not it even exists (in your church, that is).
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Focusing on whether or not it even exists (in your church, that is).Focusing on the ritual instead of the intent behind it, AV?
Focusing on whether or not it even exists (in your church, that is).
Really? Ok, now I know how much you know about Buddhism.the bit about girlfriends is gratuitous and weird
From our perspective Genesis 2 is consistent with Genesis 1. It's unfortunate you don't see it that way.And ignore genesis 2?
We can still get the core message while interpreting Genesis 1 literally. Nothing is being missed by us, only by you.I actually agree. But I think your interpretation is way off. Not that others aren't worse off target, but I do think you're missing the core message while focusing too much on the wording of a parable and not enough on it's intention.
Jesus encourages His followers to focus on both:Focusing on the ritual instead of the intent behind it, AV?
Really? Ok, now I know how much you know about Buddhism.
From our perspective Genesis 2 is consistent with Genesis 1. It's unfortunate you don't see it that way.
We can still get the core message while interpreting Genesis 1 literally. Nothing is being missed by us, only by you.
Jesus encourages His followers to focus on both:
"Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you." - John 13:14-15.
Are you baptized in water? Do you partake in the bread and wine? Or do you just focus on the intent of those rituals too?
Let's start here:troops with or without girlfriends has zero to do with buddhism, but perhaps you'd like to teach me all about china?do try.
I see it that your interpretation is different to mine.
My wife worked in Hong Kong for 9 years. We had a foreign exchange student from China. We have been active in a organization here that helps the Chinese students that have come here to study at the university. I have studied the news reports extensively about the Buddism in the Himalayan mountains of china. The clash between the old and the new. For now I will assume that when you say Buddism you are refering to some sort of a new age westernized version because you do not seem to have any knowledge of traditional Buddism that goes back thousands of years. I do not claim to know anything about it, I just wanted to know what you were refering to when you were talking about Buddism. It use to be very difficult to get up into these mountains. That gave them some seperation from the modern world. Now China has built a super train to get in to take the minerals out. This has created a real clash. The Buddist Monks do not want modern trains, and a modern world decending on them. Only their rebellion makes it worse. The China government brings in the soldiers. The girls follow and now the village girls are being influenced by a modern world that is decending on them. It use to be they talked about a white snow lepard that was so rare it was almost mystical. Now that same lepard is part of a magic act in Vegas.perhaps you'd like to teach me all about china?
That is what makes the Bible the Bible. 3500 years and the Bible has proven to be true over and over again. Perhaps the Book of Enoch was not included in the cannon of the Bible. But a lot of what we learn from Moses actually comes from Enoch and his book. Enoch was 7 generations from Adam and 3 generations before Noah. So from Adam to Noah you have 10 generations. What evidence do you have for this? All of the geneologys that we find in our Bible are being backed up by the research on DNA. In this case the Hebrews are the J haplogroup. What does science tell us? That the J Haplogroup was associated with the spread of farming. What does the Bible tell us? Adam was a farmer. Science shows us the Bible is true and Enoch was a real person. Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
This is why I have a hard time taking Creationists seriously. "The emergence of the J Haplogroup 30-50,000 years ago from a much older worldwide population is evidence that Enoch was a real person".
This is why I have a hard time taking Creationists seriously. "The emergence of the J Haplogroup 30-50,000 years ago from a much older worldwide population is evidence that Enoch was a real person".
I think (IMHO),
neither a creationist cannot be so smart,
so that to guess - to get acquainted with the theory,
and only then - agree or disagree.
Observe if you will Quin Friberg's most recent post here. Sorry Quin, but that's nonsense. Glib enough, but wrong.
Typical response from someone who disagrees: "Thats nonsense" with no scientific support or reasoning behind their statement. I suggest studying the topic a little more.
Actually he is correct saying science is starting to support the Biblical genealogies
- The Y Chromosomes and MtDNA mutation rates when measured in real time agree with the population starting about 6000 years ago like the Biblical genealogies say.
The evolutionist assume common ancestry between humans and chimps in order to make their calculations (how much genetic difference there is and how long ago the evolutionary model says they had a common ancestor) their date for Mitochondrial Eve (first women) about 200 thousand years ago only because they assume mutation rates based on common ancestry long ago,
...when you take real time measurements of mutation rates in the MtDNA (or Y Chromosome) you get an age matching the Biblical ages. I don't know if that was very on topic but I was skimming through and saw that post so I decided to address it.
Rrrright. Nanobiotechnology is not 'good enough' for creationists I suppose?
I love Nanobiotechnology and seeing how God has designed everything.
You may suggest 'studying the topic a little more', why okay, I will. I'm getting a related MS as we speak ftr. This isn't about labelling stuff I disagree with as nonsense, Quin. It's about some people, like the ones at answersingenesis, making claims that are utter nonsense, and that is not OK. It discredits christianity as a whole, and that is something I am not and cannot be okay with. At all. We're not supposed to bare false witness you know, but those people... Oooohoohoho do they ever bring false witnessing to a new "artform". It's disgusting how they make christianity into an anti-science religion and not what it's supposed to be: Compassion, love, mercy, cooperation and fellowship. Tell me this, Quin: Your (creationist) constant talk about how science is wrong on so many counts, and given how easily most of your claims can be proven wrong - and given Jesus' teachings do you REALLY feel it's worth to keep on making those claims? Does it make it easier for people to consider Jesus a viable part of their lives? No. It makes it harder. Even though creationism is bigger in the states than here (far bigger) it still leaks across and many academics consider christianity to be harmful to society and abhor it precisely because you create an image of christianity as anti-science. And how does that jive with Jesus' command to go out and make all people His disciples. Tell me, did HE make science related statements or did He show love to all around Him? The latter, right? So why do you people de-emphasize that and focus so much effort on what is essentially proving Christianity wrong in the minds of the educated Quin? How do you justify that? More so, if you believe in hell, how do you justify making salvation inaccessible for so many just because you don't understand or fear science yourself? Pardon me, but I find that abhorrent. Why do I feel so strongly about this? Well, for one I was taught creationism in an american school back when I was a kid. Then I joined a charismatic movement with strong influences from the US so I became a creationist. And if it hadn't been for some strong and good christians in my life that would have cost me my faith. And I know others, quite a few in fact, who have either almost or completely rejected their faith because of creationism and it's teachings.
Well, except for the time frame, the named individuals, the genetic evidence and all the missing ethnicities the pre-date or are geographically distant those existing in and around Bronze Age Israel.
I would love some examples Instead of says there are many and not naming any. (plus Id like to see citations to support them so I can see methods of determining when they lived.
Do you have a citation for this (and I don't mind if it's a Creationist source - I like to check the actual papers Creationists spin and twist in their articles)?
Yes I have quite a few, but it does not let me post links on here If you give me an email I can send them to you. Some of the authors are Brian Thomas (M.S, ICR) Dr. Walt Brown, Dr. Carl Wieland
No, there's no "assumption" or "model" or any of that sort of Creationist verbiage involved. Chimp human common ancestry is well established by numerous lines of evidence including the results of the genome project, anatomic comparisions, transitional hominid fossils, ERVs, Human chromosome 2, etc. etc. And the mutation rates aren't "assumed", they're concluded from genomic studies and comparisons.
Yes there are assumptions of common ancestry involved in evolutionists dates on the MtDNA. Here we go Which one of your proofs of common ancestry would you like to talk about first? We can go down the list. And yes again the dates are based on assumptions of common ancestry. Now Ill ask you the most popular question from a creationists, would you give me an example of a beneficial mutation that can be observed to increase the genetic complexity and information of an organism?
Feel free to glibly assert whatever you want, but I'd rather see a citation than take your word for it.
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