My Church does not want me on this forum I won't let them mock me

[Inkachu]

you put me in a difficult position by replying though my sinful nature (my pride and fellowship with schismatics is adultery if not involving the orthodox faith) wanted your replies.

Your church has taught you that even WANTING to fellowship with non-Orthodox Christians is adultery???

I feel so sorry for you

 

[christiantruth1334]

You are probably right

I posted the below yesterday when someone said he wanted to leave Christianity for all the rules and someone deleted the whole thread

Most people said he was a troll and cursed


I said I apologise for supporting the idea of trolls through this post and said we must restore people in a spirit of gentleness

He had a problem with all the rules

I said I tried to practice legalism recently so religious people could justify and praise me but
by doing so I imagine I could harm those who can not practically live that way if that is possible

Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves
Sometimes I feel mostly something is not wrong because it is not practical but I still have worries about the actions and my conscience has a problem with it
I try to enlighten my conscience and according to Gods word it seems it is not wrong but I still judge Gods ways like I feel if someone feels I am not serious by playing ps3 they might be lost

I mostly lean against legalism because those who make the laws are not perfect and who are they to cast away hurting people do they can be happy in their misery but I still have would prefer not to go against my conscience and have an enlightened one but my conscience also says do not abandon Christians in the world because you do not like the ways of other people or being among them

I said in that post I wonder why God does not send angels to reply and why he lets us give bad advice
but I can't use that as an excuse though I feel He should have sent angels
I feel that is why it got deleted people do not want us to assume God would send angels
even though we may regret what we say and noone confirms if it harms people

 

[toolmanjantzi]

You are probably right

I posted the below yesterday when someone said he wanted to leave Christianity for all the rules and someone deleted the whole thread

Most people said he was a troll and cursed

I said I apologise for supporting the idea of trolls through this post and said we must restore people in a spirit of gentleness

He had a problem with all the rules

I said I tried to practice legalism recently so religious people could justify and praise me but
by doing so I imagine I could harm those who can not practically live that way if that is possible

Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves
Sometimes I feel mostly something is not wrong because it is not practical but I still have worries about the actions and my conscience has a problem with it
I try to enlighten my conscience and according to Gods word it seems it is not wrong but I still judge Gods ways like I feel if someone feels I am not serious by playing ps3 they might be lost

I mostly lean against legalism because those who make the laws are not perfect and who are they to cast away hurting people do they can be happy in their misery but I still have ould prefer not to go against my conscience and have an enlightened one but my conscience also says do not abandon Christians in the world because you do not like the ways of other people or being among them

I said in that post I wonder why God does not send angels to reply and why he lets us give bad advice
but I can't use that as an excuse though I feel He should have sent angels
I feel that is why it got deleted people do not want us to assume God would send angels
even though we may regret what we say and Boone confirms if it harms people

Who is Boone?

 

[christiantruth1334]

I meant no one I may have to edit a few other things also but it can probably be understood

 

[christiantruth1334]

I want to die standing for what I believe in which is even salvation after going to hell or they cease to exist
But I want to be saved now rather than going to the everlasting fire and punishment Gods mercy is on all who have been adopted into Him by faith in Jesus Christ I can't be a Pharisee
But I can't just take my life it will be selfish and if that is truly my characteristic when God gives me my chances I or such a person may be lost forever hopefully no one is that evil

edit: or if one can not be saved from hell possibly people are saved before the great white throne last day judgement who did not get their chance but once God gathers out of His kingdom those who do lawlessness they do not get saved but rather perish and if demonic they deserve to be damned
but God adopts all to His family by faith and who seek grace where it is found

http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/end/judgment.shtml

That site seems to clear the matter for me but I don't want to be persecuted because there are rewards in heaven. It seems plausible doctrine and one which provides hope for humanities moralities and not commiting suicide but I think an easier gospel to preach and one which I approve of is that everyone who is saved receives the same reward. But the prophets and righteous men must be distinguished from the others perhaps. I don't mind dying for Christ but I don't want to die a criminal and be put to shame by others by giving up my faith in Christ out of the pain but it is a worthy cost I suppose if I can escape hell but I thought faith is sufficient

 

[christiantruth1334]

I do not/must not fear death and dying for Christ. If there must/is rewards I will seek them.
I just thought it would bring shame to christ or me for me to die due to my folly and being offensive

 

[znr]

w t h

 

[saved24]

I do not/must not fear death and dying for Christ. If there must/is rewards I will seek them.
I just thought it would bring shame to christ or me for me to die due to my folly and being offensive

You are doing your best to post what you know as truth. That is all you can do. God looks at our heart. God bless you.

 

[christiantruth1334]

Thanks. In particular I was mostly commenting on the below from the website
http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/end/judgment.shtml

St. Ephrem the Syrian explains this as follows: "Just as everyone enjoys the rays of the sensual sun according to the purity of his power of seeing, and just as when a lamp illuminates a large room, each ray is perceived as coming from that same source, similarly it will be in the future age: all the righteous will share inseparably of a single joy, but each in his own degree will be illumined by the single spiritual Sun, and to the degree of his worth he will draw in joy and rejoicing as if in a single atmosphere and place. No one will see the degrees that are higher or lower, lest looking on the surpassing grace of another and upon his own deprivation, he will thereby have some cause for sorrow and disturbance. This cannot be there, where there is neither sorrow nor sighing. But there everyone will rejoice inwardly according to the grace proper to him, while outwardly all will have a single contemplation and a single joy" (Sermon On the Heavenly Mansions).

here is another article
http://www.antiochian.org/content/what-about-non-orthodox-exclusive-claims-church

 

[JohnDB]

Where in the world do you live?

 

[christiantruth1334]

planet earth australia

 

[seashale76]

Loads of Orthodox post on-line. I think you may perhaps have an English as a second language problem. For all that the words are in English- more than half of what you're writing isn't making much sense. You said earlier that your church doesn't want you on this forum and then turned around and said that nobody actually told you any such thing. The only thing nearing that is when you mentioned your parents telling you that you should limit your on-line time if it is getting in the way of your studies, job, whatever.

If it isn't an ESL problem- then perhaps it is a situation where you need help of a more medical nature and perhaps your issues with your church stems from people giving you advice to get that sorted?

 

[christiantruth1334]

English is the only language I know and I knew it as early as others but my writing skills are bad as I don't have the time to revise it or I may post nothing even when I have an important concern on my mind I know Eastern Orthodox post but I am an oriental orthodox anyway I know it is Gods will to minister to all and leave judgement to Him as God accepts all Christians except those who know where grace exists and refuse it
Thanks for trying to help anyway

1 Corinthians 1:2
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

 

[Ark100]

You really dont have to tell your church what you are doing and what forums you are on. Why would anyone be obliged to be doing such things? These are the examples of legalistic kinds of behaviour. I don't see why anyone should have to tell another everything they do. Church is not Jesus Christ.
People that favor church more than Jesus Himself are pharisee-like people.

 

[christiantruth1334]

Thanks ark100 but I can not accept that some Protestants say all orthodox and church people are going to hell
The church itself currently seems to be teaching protestants are saved it may have always teached that but some people on forums have often said protestants do not have the Holy Spirit as they are not baptised or chrismated and that they don't know if they are saved. I know God is fair and protestants will receive their full reward if they are trying to please God in this midst of this confusion in not knowing if one should join such lukewarm churches and not knowing it is the truth where grace exists.
I think this may be a new teaching the church probably taught protestants do not have the Holy Spirit from the beginning which makes me question there being one true church as it is not biblical

 

[christiantruth1334]

Jesus did say one needs to be baptised of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God but never said those who don't obey the sacraments will never be saved and that they won't receive their full same reward with all the saints who try to please God in the midst of this confusion. When Jesus taught the sacraments everyone knew what was required of them but only those who never accepted the LORD Jesus nor believed in Him turned away.
Jesus said he who is not against us is on our side. He never told the disciples to go seek that man to go convert him to follow them. God has His own timing and He chose me to be born in an orthodox church and you not to be

 

[Ark100]

how does one person know/or can conclude another does not have the Holy Spirit because of the church they go to.
The stunning thing about the God we serve is He is God and Only He gets to decide, and do what HE WILLs We don't have that power to judge or condemn others. No one can say for certain that so and so will go to hell BECAUSE at the end of the day, God may change that person. Apostle Paul was a man who most would have thought would burn in hell forever but by God's grace he was a changed man before he died.

my parents go to anglican church and I did as well until I started going to pentecostal church. I cannot say that my parents are not saved. My mom is a very strong christian actually and she used to take me to church programs a lot while I was younger. She has the Holy Spirit. She didnt need to go to charismatic church to have that. She only needed to believe in Jesus and that He is who He says He is and everything else fell into place.

Its important that no one should get too entangled with church, the ideologies and all the shananigans associated with it. Whether is be catholic, protestants or charismatic churches. I dont really care

JESUS CHRIST is the One that matters and all focus should be on Him. churches are like schools where you are taught so and so, but eventually, you have to study on your own as well, and in this case, the master teacher is Jesus through the Holy Spirit so dont be drawn into churches and all those things going on in it. I dont and I like it that way.

Jesus is my priority

PS. What is a sacrament? Not that I really want to know. I really dont care which church you go to, or where you re born into. My point is do NOT let church dictate your spiritual life. Go to the source Himself so you will not be deceived. When Jesus says he's comig for His bride - The Church, He did not mean a specific church or churches, He meant His people, the sheep of His pasture, His saved children, the Redeemed those who are doing the will of the Father.

Jesus is the SUBSTANCE of it all...all of the gospel, its about Him and it should remain so. I dont care for sacraments and those things which many people get caught up in!

 

[christiantruth1334]

You really dont have to tell your church what you are doing and what forums you are on. Why would anyone be obliged to be doing such things? These are the examples of legalistic kinds of behaviour. I don't see why anyone should have to tell another everything they do. Church is not Jesus Christ.
People that favor church more than Jesus Himself are pharisee-like people.

I think you are right Ark100 the church tries to change its doctrines to attract followers as the pharisees did but then condemns protestants so that God's will is not done on earth as it is in heaven. They want to stop people from giving salvation to others as the pharisees tried to stop people from following Jesus with their doctrines and confusion.
They want to spread confusion to shut up the kingdom of heaven upon men
God loves us as we are and does not want people to go to hell without doing all He can to stop that but He needs us to turn many unto righteousness. He has put it in the hands of wise laborers

edit: I said this before you posted above

 

[znr]

This thread is super freaky.

 

[christiantruth1334]

Indeed my friends there is a way which seems right to a man but its end is death
"Arsenius flee from men for these are the sources of sinlessness" a desert father story
I do not pray anymore to be worthy of salvation. My dad bound me to work but I should be thinking of my eternal life according to the majority here and my church seems to be saying that in its people and sometimes clergy
I stopped seeking God's guidance over things because of the overthinking or headache and loneliness I should go back
I say mine may lead to death or others making one have to seek God's guidance and avoid everything and thereby putting despair in people and making them feel religion is not for them due to thinking one has to earn salvation and having to leave work to do that
when God does not want to stop people from getting worldly talents God accepts both ways but some make it like He is forcing one to stop learning skills to seek salvation and the poor person finds there is nothing there as it was never God's will to earn salvation. Or there is something but he is not happy
God does not force everyone to be a monk but many make it like one can not be saved if he is not a monk and stumble peoples faith in Jesus
I don't think I have any talents. I was good at mathematics but I am not good at teaching and I may not be very good at solving problems only learning solutions
I don't make any money yet I still live in the world. I am not useful as other people are