My Canoe Challenge

[Nostromo]

So what's the next 'challenge'?

 

[Nostromo]

Thinking about it again, I suppose "when you're finished" the canoe essentially has no age yet, as it's just become a canoe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thinking about it again, I suppose "when you're finished" the canoe essentially has no age yet, as it's just become a canoe.

Correct.

Those who are telling me it does have a history -- a history of 1-day -- I'm ignoring for obvious reasons.

Physically, the canoe is 1000 years old; existentially, the canoe is ... now.

 

[Psudopod]

Those who are telling me it does have a history -- a history of 1-day -- I'm ignoring for obvious reasons.

Physically, the canoe is 1000 years old; existentially, the canoe is ... now.

Phyiscally the canue is now (or one day, depending on how long after the canue is made we are discussing this); the wood that made the canue is 1000 years old.

 

[Freodin]

Correct.

Those who are telling me it does have a history -- a history of 1-day -- I'm ignoring for obvious reasons.

Physically, the canoe is 1000 years old; existentially, the canoe is ... now.

Why is the canoe physically 1000 years old?

Simple question...

 

[Nostromo]

Physically, the canoe is 1000 years old; existentially, the canoe is ... now.

Well no... even if I were to accept this idea that it has two ages, which I don't,
the canoe would be "now", and physically 14 billion years old (or however old you accept the universe to be) as that's how old the constituent parts are. Choosing the age of one specific configuration of those atoms is arbitrary.

(Besides, since you hollowed it out, most of the 1000 year old wood is gone. The rest is varying ages less than 1000 years.)

 

[Nathan Poe]

Correct.

Those who are telling me it does have a history -- a history of 1-day -- I'm ignoring for obvious reasons.

Your ego?

Physically, the canoe is 1000 years old; existentially, the canoe is ... now.

No, the canoe is one day old in every sense of the word -- why are you too proud to admit the blindingly obvious?

 

[Delphiki]

According to what AV is insinuating with this thread, everything is 14 billion years old, including myself. I guess I need to add Metamucil to my grocery list.

 

[Delphiki]

Those who are telling me it does have a history -- a history of 1-day -- I'm ignoring for obvious reasons.

Ever think that might be why you have such a hard time learning anything?

 

[Bushido216]

Stop using the term "existential" wrongly.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Stop using the term "existential" wrongly.

You have to understand his motivation -- control:

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

 

[Cabal]

I don't buy this explanation -- but you're entitled to your opinion.

Reality is complicated.

Don't like it? Take it up with God.

 

[BrianOnEarth]

Stop using the term "existential" wrongly.

Yes, and AV should stop using the term "physical" erroneously too.

[the bleeding obvious]
The time from when the object complied with the definition of a canoe until it no longer complies with that definition is the physical age of the canoe.
[/the bleeding obvious]

Is there a point to this other than measuring how much spare time people have?

 

[chilehed]

According to what AV is insinuating with this thread, everything is 14 billion years old, including myself. I guess I need to add Metamucil to my grocery list.

Hey... I always thought wisdom came with age. Here I am 14 billion years of and still almost as dumb as a rock! What gives?

 

[PhoceanCity]

I cut down a 1000-year-old tree, hollow it out and make a canoe out of it; all in a day's time.

How old is the canoe when I'm finished?

One can safely assume by looking at the weathering, the sawmarks, the type of paint of that the canoe has been built recently. Maybe if you look closely you will discover an accidental drop of blood from the guy who made it and tell that it has been deposited recently. You can also look at the wood and determine aproximatly the age of the tree and assume that it came from a seed about 1000 years ago.

The tree stop being a tree at the moment you call it a canoe.

 

[sandwiches]

I cut down a 1000-year-old tree, hollow it out and make a canoe out of it; all in a day's time.

How old is the canoe when I'm finished?

At the exact moment of finishing it, it's not old at all.

 

[sandwiches]

How's come you guys treat every question like it's an essay question?

If I started a thread and asked what 1 + 1 are, I'd get a picture and a paragraph, wouldn't I?

I understand you guys are in a philosophy that's heavily-ladened with rhetoric, but this is ridiculous.

But you're not asking what 1+1 is, are you?

 

[Lillen]

I remeber when I were on rehabilitation and therpy for my devlopmental disorder. I Remeber how I percived time diffrently then? Long days and a longing for my home!

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I remeber when I were on rehabilitation and therpy for my devlopmental disorder. I Remeber how I percived time diffrently then? Long days and a longing for my home!

Did you ever long for Long and McQuade's on one of those long days while longing for home?

 

[Targ]

But you're not asking what 1+1 is, are you?

No he isn't. He's also demanding simplicity far beyond the answers and subsequent thread derailments that he gives to other people's questions.