My Canoe Challenge

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Six thousand, six billion, or six trillion, what's the difference if it is created that old tomorrow?

God can create a dress tomorrow in a stage of age that is so advanced, it will fall apart.

God can do anything, He is God. But to have Him create a world that has only been in existence for 6000 years and make it look 14+ billion years old is deceptive because it's creating a world that does not exist.

If the world was created 6,000 years ago, then everything we have history-wise is bunk and worthless then. Everything to do with prehistory is worthless because, according to your view on God, that's all fake.

 

[AV1611VET]

God can do anything, He is God. But to have Him create a world that has only been in existence for 6000 years and make it look 14+ billion years old is deceptive because it's creating a world that does not exist.

Wow.

You can't comprehend what I'm saying, can you?

If the world was created 6,000 years ago, then everything we have history-wise is bunk and worthless then.

I disagree.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Wow.

You can't comprehend what I'm saying, can you?

I can comprehend it fine. You believe that God is a deceiver.

I disagree.

Show me how I am wrong then.

 

[SelfSim]

Absolutely not.

I've clearly stated time and again that God did not make the world LOOK OLD, He made the world OLD.

There's a difference.

It LOOKS OLD because it IS OLD.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, its still utter rubbish and something which might be expected from a kindergarden kid.

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, its still utter rubbish and something which might be expected from a kindergarden kid.

It's hard to take critiques like this seriously, when you don't even know what I'm saying.

I'm sure you feel the same way too.

 

[SelfSim]

It's hard to take critiques like this seriously, when you don't even know what I'm saying.

I didn't write the quote preceeding my comment .. you did!

I'm sure you feel the same way too.

Don't be then.

 

[Kylie]

But we can see a real-time example of something made from new material that looks old… Progeria, known as Hutchinson-Gilford progeria syndrome (HGPS) or the “Benjamin Button” disease.

But we can tell the difference between a person with progeria and a person who really has lived for 90 years. There are, after all, things that are common in regular aging, but typically do not happen as a result of progeria, such as arthritis and cataracts.

 

[Kylie]

Serious question:

What makes a dress (or anything) fall apart with age?

As the dress is used, the fibres in the fabric wear thin and therefore become weaker.

 

[Kylie]

But not everything GREW OLD.

Some things came into existence old.

Like Adam.

Unsupported claim.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unsupported claim.

Is that why you don't understand it?

 

[Kylie]

Is that why you don't understand it?

You've provided nothing to understand. You've simply made a claim. If you want people to accept it, you must show WHY that claim is an accurate one.

 

[AV1611VET]

You've provided nothing to understand. You've simply made a claim. If you want people to accept it, you must show WHY that claim is an accurate one.

Would you recognize it as accurate if you saw it?

 

[SelfSim]

Would you recognize it as accurate if you saw it?

As usual your claims amount to nothing more than a drivellous: 'my opinion is better than yours .. (and science can take a hike)!

 

[Kylie]

Would you recognize it as accurate if you saw it?

If I saw God create something ex nihilo and could do the tests to verify it, then I would.

However, I doubt this is going to happen. But if you can get God to do it, let me know.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I like how AV hasn't told me how I'm wrong in my assessment of his strange belief that God is a deceiver.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like how AV hasn't told me how I'm wrong in my assessment of his strange belief that God is a deceiver.

When you understand that God can create a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age.

Then documents how He created it (ex materia), why He created it (hypothetical), when He created it (tomorrow), how long it took Him to create it (instantaneously), and who the eyewitness was (you).

And you can understand that without claiming God is being deceptive, then the conversation can move forward.

Until then ...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

When you understand that God can create a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age.

Then documents how He created it (ex materia), why He created it (hypothetical), when He created it (tomorrow), how long it took Him to create it (instantaneously), and who the eyewitness was (you).

And you can understand that without claiming God is being deceptive, then the conversation can move forward.

Until then ...

Stop using the dress analogy and just stick to the main problem: Earth.

If God creates the world six thousand years ago, and He actually shows, through His creation, that it is six thousand years old, then there's not a problem.

If God creates the world six thousand years ago, and then He shows, through His creation, that is magnitudes older than six thousand years, then there is a problem.

It doesn't matter if the document says that the earth is six thousand years old, because that document was not written or authored or ghost-written by God, that document was written by man. God's actual writing is in the world and the universe, and they show that the earth is 14 billion+ years old, not six thousand.

Because if God creates a world with false history, with millions of years of life-forms and geological movement and also all the civilizations that archaeology has found to exist past the six thousand year mark, then that is deception.

 

[AV1611VET]

Stop using the dress analogy and just stick to the main problem: Earth.

If God creates the world six thousand years ago, and He actually shows, through His creation, that it is six thousand years old, then there's not a problem.

If God creates the world six thousand years ago, and then He shows, through His creation, that is magnitudes older than six thousand years, then there is a problem.

It doesn't matter if the document says that the earth is six thousand years old, because that document was not written or authored or ghost-written by God, that document was written by man. God's actual writing is in the world and the universe, and they show that the earth is 14 billion+ years old, not six thousand.

Because if God creates a world with false history, with millions of years of life-forms and geological movement and also all the civilizations that archaeology has found to exist past the six thousand year mark, then that is deception.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thanks for the QED.

You proved nothing.

I state what I understand from what you wrote.

You believe that God is deceptive. I do not. It's a simple thing.

 

[ozso]

Here's a better analogy I think. Borrowing from the movie The Sixth Day. What if an adult clone was made of a 35 year old man? He would be 1 day old at the time of its creation. However if this person was examined by medical experts they would determine his age being around 35 years. So the question regarding earth age is, what if God created a fully developed earth 6,000 years ago? Like the clone, all tests and examinations would show it being much older.