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What's the difference?Also, the canoe example is taking materials which have actually existed for a long time and putting them into a new form, whereas the embedded age idea AV likes so much has God making new materials so that they look old.
What's the difference?
What's the difference?
Negative.But was it a canoe 500 years ago?
Correct.If a person takes a 1000 year old log and makes a canoe with it, then they are using materials that have actually existed for 1000 years. Any examination of the canoe is going to show the materials are 1000 years old, and the result will be accurate.
If God creates the world from materials that are brand spanking new and then makes it look older than it actually is, he is not using materials that have actually existed for a long time. Any examination of the world is going to show the world is very old, and that result will be INaccurate.
Correct.
Question: Can God create a dress tomorrow, so old it falls apart with age?
By means of magical word salad?So if it was not a canoe 500 years ago, how can the canoe have an age of 1000 years?
Because one is inherently deceptive. The other is making a canoe.
If a person takes a 1000 year old log and makes a canoe with it, then they are using materials that have actually existed for 1000 years. Any examination of the canoe is going to show the materials are 1000 years old, and the result will be accurate.
If God creates the world from materials that are brand spanking new and then makes it look older than it actually is, he is not using materials that have actually existed for a long time. Any examination of the world is going to show the world is very old, and that result will be INaccurate.
By means of magical word salad?
We already know appearances can be deceptive .. which is why dating of the Earth's trees and rocks, doesn't rely on what merely 'looks old'. Those techniques rule out this absurd delusion of 'young, but made to look old'. The results are not inaccurate in order to accomodate some silly belief.But we can see a real-time example of something made from new material that looks old… Progeria, known as Hutchinson-Gilford progeria syndrome (HGPS) or the “Benjamin Button” disease.
Serious question:Only if he uses pre-existing materials that have actually existed for long enough to be falling apart, judging by the set up you created in your OP.
Some things look old because they ARE OLD.We already know appearances can be deceptive .. which is why dating of the Earth's trees and rocks, doesn't rely on what merely 'looks old'. Those techniques rule out this absurd delusion of 'young, but made to look old'. The results are not inaccurate in order to accomodate some silly belief.
But we can see a real-time example of something made from new material that looks old… Progeria, known as Hutchinson-Gilford progeria syndrome (HGPS) or the “Benjamin Button” disease.
Let's just say a dress falls apart with age because the chemical bond between its atoms are weaker than when the dress was new.Why would God even do that except to be deceptive?
Let's just say a dress falls apart with age because the chemical bond between its atoms are weaker than when the dress was new.
I'm saying that God can create a dress tomorrow with "weak chemical bonds".
In essence, the dress would be old.
It didn't "grow old" -- it came into existence old.
That is not what He did.Making the world look old ...
That is not what He did.
Absolutely not.But according to you, He did.
Absolutely not.
I've clearly stated time and again that God did not make the world LOOK OLD, He made the world OLD.
There's a difference.
It LOOKS OLD because it IS OLD.
Six thousand, six billion, or six trillion, what's the difference if it is created that old tomorrow?Except that 6000 years old is a different sort of old to several billion years old. It's a completely different magnitude of age.
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