My Baptism Doesnt Count!!!???

[CrystalBrooke]

there's a thread in the teen's subforum about who's been baptised and who things its essential for salvation. well some girl started another thread about how she saw that a lot of us had been baptised as children, and she said "no where in the bible does it state that a child should be baptised. so if you were baptised as a child it doesnt neccissarly count" EXCUSE ME?!? if im not mistaken, i cant remember who said it right now bc im mad, someone said for all to be baptised and repent, ALL, it didnt say all except for children, it said ALL, that includes children and infants...im so terribly upset right now....

anyways...that's my rant for today

 

[Carrye]

Were you baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? If so, your baptism was valid. Age doesn't determine validity. Don't worry about all of the infant baptism naysayers.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

yes i was...

 

[Benedicta00]

I know Crystal, once your eyes have been open, you begin to see how the scriptures are so badly distorted and people add on and read in there what they want. No where in the bible does it say we are not to baptize children, they translate what isn't even in there to say it is forbidden. Where do they get this from? I dunno know??

 

[Adammi]

I am not against your faith, but I have a question. What is the points of infant baptism?

 

[Benedicta00]

I am not against your faith, but I have a question. What is the points of infant baptism?
I could get baptized till my fingers are all pruny, and the cows come home, but if I don't believe in Jesus then it didn't amount to a hill of beans.
[bible]Mark 16:16[/bible]
Baptism is pointless without belief.

Because it is the removal of original sin as well as persoanl sins. It is the thing the justfies us to be saved. Salvtion isn't an event. Graces are given objectivly in baptism, meaning it regenerates you and if you live out that promise you will be saved in the end. It's redemption, not salvtion as you would know what salvtion is. We view the two to be separate and a little different than what you would.

 

[Carrye]

Mark 16:16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Baptism is pointless without belief.

Your view of what baptism accomplishes is different from ours as well. And to be fair, the scripture doesn't say "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he who believeth not shall not be baptized."

We need to make sure that what we're reading into the scripture is really there in the first place.

 

[Adammi]

gggggg

 

[Adammi]

nevermind

 

[stray bullet]

Circumcision was done at 8 days to establish a covenant with God. How can a child be part of that at 8 days?

Because he would have the Jewish community to raise him.

Baptism is done on infants when they, like circumcised infants, have an expectation to be raised and brought up as Christian.

 

[stray bullet]

there's a thread in the teen's subforum about who's been baptised and who things its essential for salvation. well some girl started another thread about how she saw that a lot of us had been baptised as children, and she said "no where in the bible does it state that a child should be baptised. so if you were baptised as a child it doesnt neccissarly count" EXCUSE ME?!? if im not mistaken, i cant remember who said it right now bc im mad, someone said for all to be baptised and repent, ALL, it didnt say all except for children, it said ALL, that includes children and infants...im so terribly upset right now....

People who belittle the baptisms, this important sacrament, of others need prayers and kindness more than anything. I am irritated when Christians judge the salvation of others too.

I found found that there is a significant portions of Christians that feel a need to really assure themselves of salvation. They may baptize themselves several times during their lives 'just in case'. I believe some people really need reassurance and turn to adult baptism for this. They desperately want some line between now and the past- this is obvious in the number of people that hold on to the date of their adult baptism. The date is the 'seal' on their salvation.
The road to Heaven isn't that easy. It is a difficult journey, thankfully the Church holds on to and teaches this... so we aren't deceived.

 

[Benedicta00]

That is actually very similar to my beliefs, the part of a difference between salvation and redemption. However, I do not see in scripture where it is anything but an outward sign of the redeeming work of Christ. I do think that it is a sin to have the oppurtunity to be baptized and not. I don't think it matters whether your sprinkled or dunked, it is the thought that counts. I do prefer immersion though.

Where in scripture does it say anywhere at all that baptism is a outward work of what happenes inward or a ordinace? See what I mean about adding what is not there? The scripture says instead- "Baptism now saves you" that is pretty clear as where as "baptism is a outward sign" is not in there.

We baptize babies because we love them and want them to be Christians, we understand that all people are born with sin and need to have sin removed, this is original sin, being born to a world cut off from grace, baptism restores grace to your soul, it is not salvation given as a upfront deal. The issues of actual salvation and redemption are separete.

 

[stray bullet]

"Peter {said} to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - Acts 2:38

Who would not want their children to have the gift of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Benedicta00]

You can not earn being born again either by formally accepting Christ. It's free, given freely with nothing asked from us, so why can't we baptize infants would be a better question to ask.

 

[Adammi]

nevermind

 

[InnerPhyre]

Pff...if you're not baptized, Crystal, then neither am I and neither are half the people here. I love how people whose only authority is THEIR OWN PERSONAL interpretation of scripture can try to claim authority over the salvation of other people.

 

[InnerPhyre]

You need to check what your church teaches on the equallity of Tradition (capital T) and Scripture.

Scripture and Tradition are inseparable. How do you think the Church Fathers decided what got put into the Canon of Scripture and what was rejected? They matched the books against Tradition. What fit was kept, what went against Tradition was rejected.

 

[Catholic Evangelist]

You a Sacred Tradition (capital T) and Sacred Scripture Roman Catholic accuse me a Sola Scriptura, Fundamental, Evangelical, Charismatic, Pentacostal, Protestant of accepting things that are extrabiblical? You need to check what your church teaches on the equallity of Tradition (capital T) and Scripture.
Where does it say to baptize infants, while were on adding things to scripture. Don't give the story of the man's whole household being saved to me. That doesn't count because my father's whole household has been saved, my mother, my father, myself, and my sister 11. None of us were baptized as infants, and yet we're all baptized

How can you accept what some people wrote and yet only accept the recorded doctrines?

PS- im on that thread

 

[Benedicta00]

You a Sacred Tradition (capital T) and Sacred Scripture Roman Catholic accuse me a Sola Scriptura, Fundamental, Evangelical, Charismatic, Pentacostal, Protestant of accepting things that are extrabiblical? You need to check what your church teaches on the equallity of Tradition (capital T) and Scripture.
Where does it say to baptize infants, while were on adding things to scripture. Don't give the story of the man's whole household being saved to me. That doesn't count because my father's whole household has been saved, my mother, my father, myself, and my sister 11. None of us were baptized as infants, and yet we're all baptized

Thanks for aswering my question, where does the scriptures say baptism is a outwork work and a ordinace.


I do not deny Tradition of the church, it is what Christ taught and the scripture are what was written down out of that. I neither deny that infant baptism is not clearly taught in the scriptures but it is also not taught against either. What does that have to do with what I asked you? I'm not a sola scripturist, I don't have to limit myself to only what's in the bible, this is the limitation you put on yourself, so I don’t have "prove” infant baptism from scripture only position but you do, so where do you get that baptism is a work, a sign and a ordeince and not a sacrament that regenerates from scripture only?

 

[ps139]

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