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My alcohol addiction and what I make of it.

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So I used to be a horrible alcoholic when I was 18-20 years old. However I started experiencing some health problems as I was approaching 300lbs. I think it was the lords way of telling me to stop. I am 21 now and 195lbs of muscle and feel good except for a few health issues that I am waiting for god to deliver me from.

Now I still struggle with binge drinking, I am not an everyday alcoholic like I used to be but If I go out 1 time I MAKE IT COUNT! I drink till im drunker then high heavens. Then I feel very convicted of sin the next day and have horrible anxiety attacks that last all day, I am literally so hungover I feel like im going to die, so I am on my knees bagging jesus to forgive me!

I find myself very lonely when the weekend rolls around like tonight. Its sick but I want to go out and I desire affection from girls, I want their attention, I want them to acknowledge me, Is this strange? I dont mean I want to get them in bed, but I just want attention, I feel like Iam wasting my good looks and youth staying home all the time, I feel like what if I never find a wife until I am old and ugly? Please help me guys what do I do? Where do I start? I dont wanna drink at all anymore, and I want to serve jesus better. Just a few minutes ago my friend asked me to come over to his house hes having a little get together and he hangs out with very attractive girls and it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tempting, now I feel guilty about even thinking about going! Please any advice would help, and maybe some of you are going through what I am THANK YOU AND SORRY FOR THE LONG READ!
 

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Your sporadic binges sound like I used to be. Drinking occasssionally to oblivion was my thing. But, I was still drinking alcoholically.

There are many people in AA who drank like you do. I have been in AA for 21 years, but had several relapses, and my last binge had me suicidal and self-destructive.

As for dating, there are plenty of beautiful, Godly women in the world. And, 21 is still young. My son did not meet his wife until he was in graduate school. They did not marry till he was almost 30. What's the rush?

I would suggest you seek the Lord's will for this situation. Your drinking is a problem, and your loneliness is a problem. The Lord is the only one who can help you with both. No woman or amount of alcohol can fill that void.

I would also suggest that you get to a couple of AA meetings and learn about alcoholism. You can also read about AA at www.aa.org

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Ok I know this is weird but you asked me whats the rush? I feel like if I dont use it I might lose it so to speak, also sometimes I feel like I might pass away at an early age, and I wont get the chance to experience a relationship with a girl, I know thats probably just my anxiety speaking but thats why I really need the lords help.
 
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Ok I know this is weird but you asked me whats the rush? I feel like if I dont use it I might lose it so to speak, also sometimes I feel like I might pass away at an early age, and I wont get the chance to experience a relationship with a girl, I know thats probably just my anxiety speaking but thats why I really need the lords help.

I am speaking from experience in saying that I married very young, at 18, and my husband was 17. We had a really bad marriage. My mental health issues, exacerbated by the alcohol, made it that way.

God will bless your life, and future relationships, if you are sober and totally sold out to Him. Seek Him first, and be content with Him alone, and see what happens.

I had a few bad relationships after my divorce, and am now content with whatever the Lord has for me.
 
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Hi it's ok to feel like that it's only natural you're only human mate and you're not alone and God understands you and why you do what you do even if you don't that's what Jesus came for to give you freedom pray and feel good about yourself you are a human being and an eternal soul created for a reason I promise you things will get better. God bless.
 
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make a decision to NOT get drunk anymore, and stick to it. ask god for guidance, everyday.

i always felt that way about girls too, and it just dont work that way. you have to ignore those feelings and just be yourself around any girl you meet. if things progress with one, it does. if it doesnt , it just doesnt. simple as that.

now if you find the right one, it may last forever or it may be over one day. onlyu god knows which one is the right one.

so, if you dwell on finding affection, in a way, you are setting yourself up for heartbreak later. i know this from experience.

you must be happy with your self in your own skin, and love who you are before the affection you seek finds you. somehow, people sense "how" you are and are attracted or repelled by that.

i hope this rambling is helpful to you.
 
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Hope you don't mind me posting but I really can relate. I've started having problems with drugs and drinking since I was 15 - 16 and started the process of getting clean the end of this summer. I use to be a sun up til sun down drinker for the better part of being 18 and 19 and started abusing prescription medication and cocaine at 17. So I know where you are coming from and it seems like I am at the same stage you are.

I don't wake up and get hammered or use like I use to but when I go out or decide to drink at home it's way in excess. From what I'm told though that is pretty natural. A good saying I was told is "Recovery is a step forward and two steps back in the start." I think it's so true! The important part they say though is that you realize you have a problem and can go a few days or weeks without drinking or using. I would deny I had a problem til the death of me but the fact was I did. The fact is though that normal people don't go out and take a hand full of pills and wash it down with a 750 of Vodka. It took time to kind of wake up to that fact and I say that getting sober is like coming out from a cloud. It seems like half the stuff you have done over the course of being an addict happened to someone else or was like a dream. The more you realize you're coming out of that cloud the less and less you want to go back. I still struggle and it's a battle you have to fight daily and we will have to fight for the rest of our life. There isn't much I can say for certain but I know accidents can happen but they do become less and less.

Have you looked into therapy at all??? It can be a bit expensive but if you have a good therapist it helps ten fold. I am not a big fan of group type therapy but that is because I can be pretty shy about this kind of stuff. It might work for you though so maybe look into like AA or a type of group like that. The thing is people that drink or use like we do normally do it for a reason I find. It's almost impossible to get totally clean until you start thinking and addressing what it is and what the root of your problem is. For me I kind of realized I do what I do because of things that happened to me when I was younger. You don't realize what kind of scars traumatic things early in your life leave. I came to find I was pretty depressed from the age of 12 and when I found alcohol and drugs I used it to self medicate. So it's really important to look back and find the root of your problems otherwise it's so much harder to get clean.

Was there any kind of important thing that happened in your life when you started drinking? A friend of mine started drinking after he got into a car accident and his friend in the car got hurt. For me it was stuff that happened awhile in the past like my parents getting divorced and some other stuff from the past.

As far as the friend thing you probably will have to make some hard choices. I had to cut ties with my "best friend" at the time because she just wasn't healthy for me to be around or be around sober. I would say most of the people I would hang around with I didn't really like and at times I would drink simply to be able to deal with them. I just didn't want to be alone you know? Then people like my old best friend would just want to do something 24/7 and it always involved drinking. I had to cut her totally from my life and we don't have contact anymore. It was hard I am not going to lie, I lost most of my friends because I stopped drinking and using. Honestly though I am so much happier now and don't want to talk to those kinds of people anymore. I have 3 friends now and I can say without a doubt they are my friends and would do anything for me and they know I would to. Addict friends are much different and will use you any chance they get. You end of getting depressed because of how your addict friends treat you and that leads to more drinking you know? I like to be alone or just with a few people and it took a long time to realize it's okay to be like that. I don't have to have 600 friends to be happy.

You're obviously a strong person you lost all that weight! You're fighting and facing your addictions! So it's really just a matter of time before you kick these habits you just have to make some tough choices and seek out some help. It's so hard to do these kinds of things by yourself because the cards are stacked against you. Do you like to read? I found reading about people who have been through this kind of thing before helps. The Heroin Diaries by Nikki Sixx is really good and an easy read. I read a few other good books that helped kind of take the place of drinking or using. Whenever I wanted to use I just would pick up the book and it occupied my mind.

Ughhh sorry kinda writing my own book here. Wish you the best!!!
 
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I got clean and sober in AA. I did go to inpatient treatment and outpatient counseling as well. But going to AA regularly and working the 12 steps (and not drinking or using) I've managed to stay sober for 34 years praise God. If you would like to talk to someone about staying clean and sober please feel free to pm me. God bless everyone here.
 
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thanks for the replies back guys they help out alot. I am going to look into AA, I just feel like it might be an old man fest (no pun intended) I mean how many 21 year olds or young adults could their really be?

You are wrong about the age stereotype. There are plenty of people who come in young, and stay sober. It is a program of recovery, and there are plenty of people of all ages there. It is up to you to be open minded and willing to learn. If you can do that, you stand a chance of staying sober with the 12 steps.

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thanks for the replies back guys they help out alot. I am going to look into AA, I just feel like it might be an old man fest (no pun intended) I mean how many 21 year olds or young adults could their really be?

That's how old I was when I started out. Actually young people heavily outweigh older people not that there is anything wrong with older folks (we're all getting older :)). Personally I like a good mix. At the discussion meeting last night there were a good number of twenty-somethings and a few even younger. Glad you're going to check it out. But it's a lot like going to a restaurant. If you go to one you don't like you don't quit going to restaurants, you try another. That's what I recommend with AA meetings. God bless you in your efforts.
 
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Nate, look, as long as you drink and have problems, it's not the problems, it's the drinking. In order to get your priorities straight, listen to the people who are trying to show you what to do. You've relied on your internal belief system and its time to rely on an external belief system. If you've stopped drinking and madison's suggestion to get into A.A. is a first step. You need a support system. If you're willing to surrender and change then you can begin the work, and believe me, to be successful at anything you need to do the work. It's not just a matter of stopping and everything is beautiful. If you've stabilized to the point where you don't experience tremors or D.T.'s then you have a shot seeking sobriety on an outpatient basis. If you are sicker than that you may need inpatient help to get stabilized. If you've able to abstain you need a relapse prevention plan. Here is an outline of what that looks like. You can do this!
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]People who relapse aren't suddenly taken drunk. Most experience progressive warning signs that reactivate denial and cause so much pain that self-medication with alcohol or drugs seems like a good idea. This is not a conscious process. These warning signs develop automatically and unconsciously. Since most recovering people have never been taught how to identify and manage relapse warning signs, they don't notice them until the pain becomes too severe to ignore. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]There are nine steps in learning to recognize and stop the early warning signs of relapse. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] Step 1: Stabilization: [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Relapse prevention planning probably won't work unless the relapser is sober and in control of themselves. Detoxification and a few good days of sobriety are needed in order to make relapse prevention planning work. Remember that many patients who relapse are toxic. Even though sober they have difficulty thinking clearly, remembering things and managing their feelings and emotions. These symptoms get worse when the person is under high stress or is isolated from people to talk to about the problems of staying sober. To surface intense therapy issues with someone who has a toxic brain can increase rather than decrease the risk of relapse. In early abstinence go slow and focus on basics. The key question is "What do you need to do to not drink today?" [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] Step 2: Assessment: [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The assessment process is designed to identify the recurrent pattern of problems that caused past relapses and resolve the pain associated with those problems. This is accomplished by reconstructing the presenting problems, the life history, the alcohol and drug use history and the recovery relapse history. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]By reconstructing the presenting problems the here and now issues that pose an immediate threat to sobriety can be identified and crisis plans developed to resolve those issues. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The life history explores each developmental life period including childhood, grammar school, high school, college, military, adult work history, adult friendship history, and adult intimate relationship history. Reviewing the life history can surface painful unresolved memories. It's important to go slow and talk about the feelings that accompany these memories. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Once the life history is reviewed, a detailed alcohol and drug use history is reconstructed. This is be done by reviewing each life period and asking four questions: (1) How much alcohol or drugs did you use? (2) How often did you use it? (3) What did you want alcohol and drug use to accomplish? and (4) What were the real consequences, positive and negative, of your use? In other words, did the booze and drugs do for you what you wanted it to do during each period of your life? [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Finally, the recovery and relapse history is reconstructed. Starting with the first serious attempt at sobriety each period of abstinence and chemical use is carefully explored. The major goal is to find out what happened during each period of abstinence that set the stage for relapse. This is often difficult because most relapsers are preoccupied with their drinking and drugging and resist thinking or talking about what happened during periods of abstinence. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Comprehensive assessments have shown that most relapsers get sober, encounter the same recurring pattern of problems, and use those problems to justify the next relapse. As one person put it "It is not one thing after the other, it is the same thing over and over again!" [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A 23 year old relapser named Jake reported drinking about a six pack of beer every Friday and Saturday night during high school. He did it in order to feel like he was part of the group, relax and have fun. at that stage in his addiction the beer did exactly what he wanted it to do. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]That all changed when Jake left school and went to work as a salesman. He had to perform in a high pressure environment and felt stressed. The other salesmen were competitive and no matter what he did they wouldn't let him belong. He began drinking bourbon every night to deal with the stress. He wanted to feel relaxed so he could cope better at work. He consistently drank too much and woke up with terrible hangovers that caused new problems with his job. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Every time Jake would attempt to stop drinking he would feel isolated and alone and become overwhelmed by the stress of his job. Even when with others at Twelve Step Meetings he felt like he didn't belong and couldn't fit in. As the stress grew he began to think "If this is sobriety who needs it?" Each relapse was related with his inability to deal with job related pressures. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]By comparing the life history, the alcohol and drug use history, and the recovery relapse history Jake could see in a dramatic way the recurrent problems that caused him to relapse. The two major issues were (1) the need to drink in order to feel like he belonged and (2) the need to drink in order to cope with stress. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]It wasn't surprising that Jake discovered that during every past period of abstinence he became isolated, lonely and depressed. The longer he stayed sober the worse it got. The stress built up until he felt that if he didn't take a drink to relax he would go crazy or collapse. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Step 3: Relapse Education: [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Relapsers need to learn about the relapse process and how to manage it. It's not a bad idea to get their family and Twelve Step Sponsors involved. The education needs to reinforce four major messages: First, relapse is a normal and natural part of recovery from chemical dependence. There is nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about. Second, people are not suddenly taken drunk. There a progressive patterns of warning signs that set them up to use again. These warning signs can be identified and recognized while sober. Third, once identified recovering people can learn to manage the relapse warning signs while sober. And Fourth, there is hope. A new counseling procedure called relapse prevention therapy can teach recovering people how to recognize and manage warning signs so a return to chemical use becomes unnecessary. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]When Jake entered relapse prevention therapy he felt demoralized and hopeless. That began to change when he heard his first lecture that described the typical warning signs that precede relapse to chemical use. He felt like someone had read his mail. "Since someone understand what causes me to get drunk," he thought, "perhaps they know what to do in order to stay sober.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Step 4: Warning Sign Identification: [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Relapsers need to identify the problems that caused relapse. The goal is to write a list of personal warning signs that lead them from stable recovery back to chemical use. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]There is seldom just one warning sign. Usually a series of warning signs build one on the other to create relapse. It's the cumulative affect that wears them down. The final warning sign is simply the straw that breaks the camel's back. Unfortunately many of relapsers think it's the last warning sign that did it. As a result they don't look for the earlier and more subtle warning signs that set the stage for the final disaster. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]When Jake first came into relapse prevention therapy he thought that he was crazy. "I can't understand it," he told his counselor, "Everything was going fine and suddenly, for no reason at all I started to overreact to things. I'd get confused, make stupid mistakes and then not know what to do to fix it. I got so stressed out that I got drunk over it." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Jake, like most relapsers, didn't know what his early relapse warning signs were and as a result didn't recognize the problems until it was too late. A number of procedures are used to help recovering people identify the early warning signs relapse. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Most people start by reviewing and discussing The Phases And Warning Signs Of Relapse (available from Independence Press, PO Box HE, Independence MO 64055, 1-800-767-8181). This warning sign list describes the typical sequence of problems that lead from stable recovery to alcohol and drug use. By reading and discussing these warning signs relapsers develop a new way of thinking about the things that happened during past periods of abstinence that set them up to use. They learn new words with which to describe their past experiences. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]After reading the warning signs they develop an initial warning sign list by selecting five of the warning signs that they can identify with. These warning signs become a starting point for warning sign analysis. Since most relapsers don't know what their warning signs are they need to be guided through a process that will uncover them. The relapser is asked to take each of the five warning signs and tell a story about a time when they experienced that warning sign in the past while sober. They tell these stories both to their therapist and to their therapy group. The goal is to look for hidden warning signs that are reflected in the story. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Jake, for example, identified with the warning sign "Tendency toward loneliness." He told a story about a time when he was sober and all alone in the house because his wife had left with the children. "I felt so lonely and abandoned, he said. I couldn't understand why she would walk out just because we had a fight. She should be able to handle it better than she does." [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The group began asking questions and it turned out that Jake had frequent arguments with his wife that were caused by his grouchiness because of problems on the job. It turned out that these family arguments were a critical warning sign that occurred before most relapses. Jake had never considered his marriage to be a problem, and as a result never thought of getting marriage counseling. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Jake had now identified three warning signs: (1) the need to drink in order to feel like he belonged, (2) the need to drink in order to cope with stress, and (3) the need to drink in order to cope with marital problems. In order to be effectively managed each of these warning would need to be further clarified. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]I then had Jake to write these three warning signs using a standard format and identify the irrational thoughts, unmanageable feelings and self defeating behavior that accompanied each. He wrote: [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica](1) I know I am in trouble with my recovery when I feeling lonely and unable to fit in with other people; When this happens I tend to think that I am no good and nobody could ever care about me. When this happens I tend to feel lonely, angry and afraid. When this happens I have an urge to hide myself away so I don't have to talk with anyone. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica](2) I know I am in trouble with my recovery when I feel unable to cope with high levels of job-related stress; When this happens I tend to think that I need to try harder in order to get things under control or else I will be a failure. When this happens I tend to feel humiliated and embarrassed. When this happens I drive myself to keep working even thought I know I need to rest. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica](3) I know I am in trouble with my recovery when I irrationally angry at my wife. When this happens I tend to think that I'm a terrible person for treating her that way, but a part of me believes she deserves it. When this I happens I tend to feel angry and ashamed. When this happens forget that the incident ever happened, put it behind us and get on with our marriage. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]With this detailed description of the relapse warning signs Jake was ready to move on to the fifth step of relapse prevention planning, warning sign management. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Understanding the warning signs is not enough. We need to learn how to manage them without resorting to alcohol or drug use. This means learning nonchemical problem solving strategies that help us to identify high risk situations and develop coping strategies. In this way relapsers can diffuse irrational thinking, manage painful feelings, and stop the self-defeating behaviors before they lead to alcohol or drug use. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]This is done by taking each relapse warning sign and developing a general coping strategy. Jake, for example developed the following management strategy for dealing with his job related stress. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Warning Sign: I know I am in trouble with my recovery when I feel unable to cope with high levels of job-related stress. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]General Coping Strategy: I will learn how to say no to taking on extra projects, limit my work to 45 hours per week, and learn how to use relaxation exercises and meditation to unwind. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The next step is to identify ways to cope with the irrational thoughts, unmanageable feelings, and self-defeating behaviors that accompany each warning sign. Jake developed the following coping strategies: [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Irrational Thought: I need to try harder in order to get things under control or else I will be a failure. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Rational Thought: I am burned out because I am trying to hard. I need to time to rest or I will start making more mistakes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Unmanageable Feelings: Humiliation and embarrassment. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Feeling Management Strategy: Talk about my feelings with others. Remind myself that there is no reason to embarrassed. I am a fallible human being and all people get tired. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Self-defeating Behavior: Driving myself to keep working even thought I know I need to rest. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Constructive Behavior: Take a break and relax. Ask someone to review the project and see if they can help me to solve the problem. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Now Jake is ready to move unto the sixth step of recovery planning. A recovery plan is a schedule of activities that puts relapsers into regular contact with people who will help them to avoid alcohol and drug use. They must stay sober by working the twelve step program and attending relapse prevention support groups that teach them to recognize and manage relapse warning signs. This is why I call relapse prevention planning a "Twelve Step Plus" approach to recovery. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Jake needed to build something into his recovery program to help him deal with job related stress. He decided to enter into counseling with a counselor who specialized in stress management, understood chemical dependency and had a background as an employee assistance counselor. By doing this Jake was forced to regular discuss his problems at work and review how he was coping with them. By identifying job related problems early, he could prevent getting overwhelmed by small problems that became overwhelming. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The seventh step is inventory training. Most relapsers find it helpful to get in the habit of doing a morning and evening inventory. The goal of the morning inventory is to prepare to recognize and manage warning signs. The goal of the evening inventory is to review progress and problems. This allows relapsers to stay anticipate high risk situations and monitor for relapse warning signs. Relapsers need to take inventory work seriously because most warning signs are deeply entrenched habits that are hard to change and tend to automatically come back whenever certain problems or stresses occur. If we aren't alert we may not notice them until it's too late. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The eighth step is family involvement. A supportive family can make the difference between recovery and relapse. We need to encourage our family members to get involved in Alanon so they can recover from codependency. With this foundation of shared recovery we can beginning talking with our families about past relapses, the warning signs that led up to them, and how the relapse hurt the family. Most importantly we can work together to avoid future relapse. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]If we had heart disease we would want our family to be prepared for an emergency. Chemical dependency is a disease just like heart disease. Our families' needs to know about the early warning signs that lead to relapse. They must be prepared to take fast and decisive action if we return to chemical use. We can work out in advance, when we are in a sober state of mind, the steps they should take if we return to chemical use. Our very life could depend upon it. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The final step is follow-up. Our warning signs will change as we progress in recovery. Each stage of recovery has unique warning signs. Our ability to deal with the warning signs of one stage of recovery doesn't guarantee that we will recognize or know how to manage the warning signs of the next stage. Our relapse prevention plan needs to be updated regularly; monthly for the first three months, quarterly for the first two years, and annually thereafter.[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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Oh, and in respect to the "old man fest", alcoholism is a progressive and deadly disease. If you stand to gain knowledge from an old man and it can save your life, then it's probably a good thing. Who knows, you may have more in common than you think.

Bill there is no such thing as an old man fest in AA. Alcoholics Anonymous is made up of people from various age groups weighing heavier toward the younger who out weigh the older members considerably. What's with the use of "old man fest" and "gain knowledge from an old man?"
 
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you would be surprised. there are a lot of younger people learning about this stuff BEFORE spending 20 or 30 years in misery without even knowing it.

learn young, enjoy more of your life.

Alcoholism, drug addiction their abuse has about as much to do with age as butterflies. It's use and progression is spread out among all age groups and both sexes.
 
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Nate, look, as long as you drink and have problems, it's not the problems, it's the drinking. In order to get your priorities straight, listen to the people who are trying to show you what to do. You've relied on your internal belief system and its time to rely on an external belief system. If you've stopped drinking and madison's suggestion to get into A.A. is a first step. You need a support system. If you're willing to surrender and change then you can begin the work, and believe me, to be successful at anything you need to do the work. It's not just a matter of stopping and everything is beautiful. If you've stabilized to the point where you don't experience tremors or D.T.'s then you have a shot seeking sobriety on an outpatient basis. If you are sicker than that you may need inpatient help to get stabilized. If you've able to abstain you need a relapse prevention plan. Here is an outline of what that looks like. You can do this!
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]People who relapse aren't suddenly taken drunk....[/FONT]

This information is decent IMO and is from one of Terry Gorski's sites. Gorski has been working in the field of Alcoholism for decades, believes in the disease concept of Alcoholism and suggests AA as a recovery program. I attended a workshop by him when I worked as an inpatient counselor a number of years ago.
 
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