My Abiogenesis Challenge

[AV1611VET]

If I declare that I speak for God, will you accept every word I say as true?

No.

 

[Loudmouth]

No.

Does that mean you don't understand amanuensis?

 

[miknik5]

Those are the words of men.

Sir
You have no idea how the written word of GOD is a well fitted puzzle, parallel and parable pointing us to CHRIST

You have no idea how GOD hid HIS SON throughout and from the very beginning in HIS WORD so that when the time might come those born of HIS SPIRIT (those yesterday, today and tomorrow) might come to understand that THE WORD was indeed made flesh and that every word of GOD spoken in lower visible signs and representations pointed us to all the higher invisible and hidden spiritual truths found in HIS SON

 

[Loudmouth]

Sir
You have no idea how the written word of GOD is a well fitted puzzle, parallel and parable pointing us to CHRIST

You have no idea how GOD hid HIS SON throughout abdcftom the very beginning in HIS WORD so that when the time might come those born of HIS SPIRIT (those yesterday, today and tomorrow) might come to understand that THE WORD was indeed made flesh and that every word of GOD spoken in lower visible signs and representations pointed us to all the higher invisible and hidden spiritual truths found in HIS SON

Those are just the words of men as well.

 

[miknik5]

THE TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS


THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

 

[miknik5]

Those are just the words of men as well.

If you say so

 

[Loudmouth]

THE TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS


THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

The Gospels are the testimony of men.

 

[miknik5]

Does that mean you don't understand amanuensis?

We can't
You speak against THE TESTIMONY


HE gave us of HIS SPIRIT not only that we might understand the magnitude of THIS GREAT SALVATION but that we would be able to discern those who speak TRUTH from those who don't

 

[miknik5]

The Gospels are the testimony of men.

Led by the SPIRIT of CHRIST

And not really sir
Not only men testifying but THE SPIRIT also
One of the requirements of THE LAW was that two or three were needed to validate a TRUTH

we are men but it is THE SPIRIT (.THAT WITNESS in us) who also testifies

 

[Loudmouth]

We can't
You speak against THE TESTIMONY


HE gave us of HIS SPIRIT not only that we might understand the magnitude of THIS GREAT SALVATION but that we would be able to discern those who speak TRUTH from those who don't

Again, those are the words of men.

 

[Loudmouth]

Led by the SPIRIT of CHRIST

So writes men.

 

[miknik5]

So writes men.

No
So writes (and speaks)GOD
and has and does through men HE calls by HIS SPIRIT to "go"

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Notice the angels (morning stars / sons of God) were present before the creation of the Earth in Genesis 1:1?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Thus the angels were created when "the heaven" was created.

They had to have come into existence ex nihilo.

All you have managed to cite are verses that indicate angels preceded men. You have not proved they were created "ex nihilo". You have merely assumed that to be the case. Logically it is possible they came from parts of the "heavens" (aka the universe) that preceded our earth in a natural way. Or, perhaps not . . . . we need evidence before saying so definately.

 

[miknik5]

All you have managed to cite are verses that indicate angels preceded men. You have not proved they were created "ex nihilo". You have merely assumed that to be the case. Logically it is possible they came from parts of the "heavens" (aka the universe) that preceded our earth in a natural way. Or, perhaps not . . . . we need evidence before saying so definately.

That sounds very confusing

 

[miknik5]

You do know the earth before it was the earth was just dark disorganized formless...water....and THE SPIRIT of GOD hovered over the deep

There was no dividing line that distinguished the heavens above from the heavens below until GOD drew the dividing line

What happened in HIS forming the angels is kept with GOD

I mean where were we when HE did all these things?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No that isn't what I meant
However let it be clear that GOD's (written) WORD does not contradict HIS VOICE/SPIRIT and HIS VOICE/SPIRIT does not contradict HIS (written) WORD

And yet, we have nothing but his (alleged written) word. How convenient.

None of which means a hill of beans in a discussion about science.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No we won't change it
There isn't any fault in GOD's WORD and TRUTH
Only fault in those who don't understand

So don't peddle it to scientists and expect them to bend over backwards for you.

 

[miknik5]

So don't peddle it to scientists and expect them to bend over backwards for you.

When will you be responding to my original post to you?

With regards to the fathers of this world?

 

[TLK Valentine]

When will you be responding to my original post to you?

With regards to the fathers of this world?

When it becomes relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[miknik5]

When it becomes relevant to the discussion at hand.

It was very relevant. It was your post to me asking me about things pertaining to GOD. You were referring to GOD and attributing to HIM
falsehoods

Things only someone who does not know GOD will do