My Abiogenesis Challenge

[bhsmte]

Bind up THE TESTIMONY amongst MY DISCIPLES When they tell you to seek spirits should not a people consult their GOD?

To the dead (spirits) for the LIVING ONE

More preaching.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Oh, please.

BC/AD, churches, hymns, iconography, holidays and martyrs don't mean anything to you?Are you in the right thread?

The only life created ex nihilo are the angels.

Please read the OP and respond accordingly.

Please cite your evidence for the idea that angels are created ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please cite your evidence for the idea that angels are created ex nihilo.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Notice the angels (morning stars / sons of God) were present before the creation of the Earth in Genesis 1:1?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Thus the angels were created when "the heaven" was created.

They had to have come into existence ex nihilo.

 

[Loudmouth]

[
well that was very telling
And biased

Iggy the magic elf?

Are scientists allowed to push their own personal agenda by condescension

Does that always translate to proven TRUTH?

Or just a scientist pushing his weight by condescension

The truth remains that creationists can't come up with a single set of experiments to test creationism. There is no science to do when it comes to creationism. You can't blame scientists for rejecting a non-scientific claim.

 

[Loudmouth]

Let's go way back before there was any physical evidence that a scientist could use to test his understanding of the physical world in which he lives

Can we do that

Opening your eyes for 1 minute and looking around allows you to collect physical evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course not
Scientists can only back into what is physically given up to a point

And no further

Because it is based on physical evidence already present

So you admit that there is no evidence for creationism?

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you a scientist?
How did you come to be a scientist

I'm a scientist.

You come to be a scientist by doing science. The standard career path is to get an undergrad degree in the area of science you want to study, get some basic lab experience while doing your undergrad degree, get into graduate school and graduate after finishing your first research project, become a post-doctoral fellow and study under an experienced PhD who has a research grant, work hard and write your own research grants, get funded, and then supply positions for graduate and post-docs.

The most common standard that scientists are judged by is productivity and publications.

 

[miknik5]

Please cite your evidence for the idea that angels are created ex nihilo.[/QUOCreated little lower than the Angels implies

Opening your eyes for 1 minute and looking around allows you to collect physical evidence.

overlay. Nothing fully and completely in it's pure state

 

[AV1611VET]

The truth remains that creationists can't come up with a single set of experiments to test creationism.

Sure we can.

Just put a shrewdness of scientists in a room containing nothing, and tell them to order something to come forth.

(And by nothing, I mean nothing. No phone, no lights, no motor car; not a single luxury ... no air, not even virtual particles. A perfect vacuum. [Be sure and leave them in there six days, so they can claim it was a true test.] )

 

[AV1611VET]

So you admit that there is no evidence for creationism?

I will! I will!

(Truth be told though, you're standing on it.)

 

[Loudmouth]

overlay. Nothing fully and completely in it's pure state

Assertion, devoid of any evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

I will! I will!

(Truth be told though, you're standing on it.)

How is a tile floor evidence for God?

 

[miknik5]

Science treats abiogenesis as a possibility it can test and research. If you can't show how creatio ex nihilo can be tested through the scientific method, then you can hardly blame scientists for not testing it.

What integrity to take my prior post regarding abiogenesis in response to your above post and imply on this recent post by you that I was talking about creationists

 

[miknik5]

Assertion, devoid of any evidence.

The evidence is in the truth that nothing is constant

What is perfect remains perfect until some sort of outside unwanted and not needed influence effects what is perfect

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence is in the truth that nothing is constant

What is perfect remains perfect until some sort of outside unwanted and not needed influence effects what is perfect

Assertions, devoid of evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is a tile floor evidence for God?

There's more to that tile floor than meets the eye.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

I think some brainiacs call those things "atoms."

You know what "atom" means, don't you?

"Indivisible"?

Just ask anyone in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sure we can.

Just put a shrewdness of scientists in a room containing nothing, and tell them to order something to come forth.

(And by nothing, I mean nothing. No phone, no lights, no motor car; not a single luxury ... no air, not even virtual particles. A perfect vacuum. [Be sure and leave them in there six days, so they can claim it was a true test.] )

-_- or just put a camera in the vacuum. Not that this would be an effective test of creationism to begin with, since the acting body (a deity) can't be forced to act.

 

[AV1611VET]

-_- or just put a camera in the vacuum. Not that this would be an effective test of creationism to begin with, since the acting body (a deity) can't be forced to act.

Cameras can't talk.

Besides, they wouldn't do it.

To paraphrase a joke:

There are just some things that scientists will try that cameras won't.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Cameras can't talk.

Besides, they wouldn't do it.

To paraphrase a joke:

There are just some things that scientists will try that cameras won't.

-_- there is no sound in a vacuum, so not being able to talk is irrelevant. A camera and a tape recording set on play, if you like. People can't survive in a vacuum, so there would be no point to trying this, even beyond the fact that people aren't deities. People being able or unable to do something says nothing about what can happen naturally or through the influence of some god.

 

[Loudmouth]

There's more to that tile floor than meets the eye.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

I think some brainiacs call those things "atoms."

You know what "atom" means, don't you?

"Indivisible"?

Just ask anyone in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

I would agree that your views are based on faith. That's kind of the whole point.

You claimed there was evidence, not faith. Where is it?