My Abiogenesis Challenge

[Speedwell]

I don't think anyone's really denying evolution

What i think is being denied is the idea that somehow mankind and creation is moving forward "progressing" to a better state of being

Which is not a claim that the theory of evolution makes. Mind you, creationists sometimes accuse the theory making that claim, but just for sophistical reasons.

 

[Speedwell]

It's not about atheists. It's about science.
1st LOT:Nothing comes from nothingness. The universe could not be created.
2nd LOT:Everything that exists is breaking down. The universe is not eternal.
3rd LOT: In the absence of energy, nothing will ever happen. Before everything; nothing. Beginning with nothing; nothing.

The only logical conclusions:
1. Nothing exists.
2. Creation occurred outside the boundaries of natural law.

And don't bother quoting your favorite description of the laws of thermodynamics. They all say the same thing in different words.

Wow! What Chick Tract did you get that nonsense from?

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution doesn't discuss either one of them.

That's not what I asked.

QV my examples please.

 

[miknik5]

Which is not a claim that the theory of evolution makes. Mind you, creationists sometimes accuse the theory making that claim, but just for sophistical reasons.

Then you agree there was an original/initial starting point before this moving forward?

And you agree that every living thing In an ever changing environment affects and effects change?

 

[Speedwell]

Then you agree there was an original/initial starting point before this moving forward?

And you agree that every living thing In an ever changing environment affects and effects change?

Huh?

 

[miknik5]

Huh?

There had to be a beginning point

 

[HitchSlap]

It's not about atheists. It's about science.
1st LOT:Nothing comes from nothingness. The universe could not be created.
2nd LOT:Everything that exists is breaking down. The universe is not eternal.
3rd LOT: In the absence of energy, nothing will ever happen. Before everything; nothing. Beginning with nothing; nothing.

The only logical conclusions:
1. Nothing exists.
2. Creation occurred outside the boundaries of natural law.

And don't bother quoting your favorite description of the laws of thermodynamics. They all say the same thing in different words.

You have no idea what the LoT's are, do you?


Lol

 

[HitchSlap]

There had to be a beginning point

How do you know?

 

[KWCrazy]

Wow! What Chick Tract did you get that nonsense from?

Does the mutual exclusivity of the thaws of thermodynamics bother you?
The fact is, there are NO scientific theories of origination which do not violate one or more law.

 

[HitchSlap]

Does the mutual exclusivity of the thaws of thermodynamics bother you?
The fact is, there are NO scientific theories of origination which do not violate one or more law.

You at least need to read the Wiki entry on the LoT's... they don't describe what you think they do. Easy mistake to make if all you read are creo sites.

 

[KWCrazy]

You have no idea what the LoT's are, do you?

Absolutely.
And I know how you all LOVE to pretend that you alone know the proper definition. No matter what definition someone posts, you'll use another. All of which still say about the same thing.
In fact, I have actually cut and pasted other people's definitions just to watch them inevitable give a different definition.
It's quite hilarious, really.
Matter cannot be created, and yet it exists.
Matter is not eternal, and yet it exists without a cause.
Before there was anything there had to be nothing. Beginning with nothingness, no activity will ever happen.

 

[SkyWriting]

In other news, no science journals had any articles explaining the mysteries of the Trinity this month.

That may have been covered:



Practices and Perspectives of College Instructors on Addressing Religious Beliefs When Teaching Evolution
M. Elizabeth Barnes, Sara E. Brownell
CBE Life Sci Educ. 2016 Summer; 15(2): ar18. doi: 10.1187/cbe.15-11-0243
PMCID:
PMC4909340
ArticlePubReaderPDF–342KCitation
Select item 52537172.
Belonging, believing, bonding, and behaving: the relationship between religion and business ownership at the country level
Brigitte Hoogendoorn, Cornelius A. Rietveld, André van Stel
J Evol Econ. 2016; 26(3): 519–550. Published online 2016 Feb 19. doi: 10.1007/s00191-016-0447-7
PMCID:
PMC5253717
ArticlePubReaderPDF–562KCitation
Select item 48201103.
The Effect of Religion on Candidate Preference in the 2008 and 2012 Republican Presidential Primaries
Leigh A. Bradberry
PLoS One. 2016; 11(4): e0152037. Published online 2016 Apr 4. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0152037
PMCID:
PMC4820110
ArticlePubReaderPDF–2.7MCitation
Select item 50676214.
How Students View the Boundaries Between Their Science and Religious Education Concerning the Origins of Life and the Universe
BERRY BILLINGSLEY, RICHARD BROCK, KEITH S. TABER, FRAN RIGA
Sci Educ. 2016 May; 100(3): 459–482. Published online 2016 Feb 2. doi: 10.1002/sce.21213
PMCID:
PMC5067621
ArticlePubReaderPDF–412KCitation
Select item 50569535.
Religion and Fertility in Contemporary Northern Ireland
Patrick McGregor, Patricia McKee
Eur J Popul. 2016; 32(4): 599–622. Published online 2016 Sep 28. doi: 10.1007/s10680-016-9399-8
PMCID:
PMC5056953
ArticlePubReaderPDF–508KCitation
Select item 47848986.
Religion and the Unmaking of Prejudice toward Muslims: Evidence from a Large National Sample
John H. Shaver, Geoffrey Troughton, Chris G. Sibley, Joseph A. Bulbulia
PLoS One. 2016; 11(3): e0150209. Published online 2016 Mar 9. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0150209
PMCID:
PMC4784898
ArticlePubReaderPDF–520KCitation
Select item 50999847.
A preliminary survey on the religious profile of Brazilian psychiatrists and their approach to patients’ religiosity in clinical practice
Maria Cecilia Menegatti-Chequini, Juliane P.B. Gonçalves, Frederico C. Leão, Mario F.P. Peres, Homero Vallada
BJPsych Open. 2016 Nov; 2(6): 346–352. Published online 2016 Nov 3. doi: 10.1192/bjpo.bp.116.002816
PMCID:
PMC5099984
ArticlePubReaderPDF–267KCitation
Select item 49291458.
An exploration of the role of religion/spirituality in the promotion of physicians' wellbeing in Emergency Medicine
Elena Salmoirago-Blotcher, George Fitchett, Katherine Leung, Gregory Volturo, Edwin Boudreaux, Sybil Crawford, Ira Ockene, Farr Curlin
Prev Med Rep. 2016 Jun; 3: 189–195. Published online 2016 Feb 1. doi: 10.1016/j.pmedr.2016.01.009
PMCID:
PMC4929145
ArticlePubReaderPDF–537KCitation
Select item 48948919.
Music As a Sacred Cue? Effects of Religious Music on Moral Behavior
Martin Lang, Panagiotis Mitkidis, Radek Kundt, Aaron Nichols, Lenka Krajčíková, Dimitris Xygalatas
Front Psychol. 2016; 7: 814. Published online 2016 Jun 7. doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2016.00814
PMCID:
PMC4894891
ArticlePubReaderPDF–1024KCitation
Select item 520094310.
Processes of believing: Where do they come from? What are they good for?
Rüdiger J. Seitz, Raymond F. Paloutzian, Hans-Ferdinand Angel
Version 2. F1000Res. 2016; 5: 2573. Published online 2017 Jan 17. doi: 10.12688/f1000research.9773.2
Includes additional comments & authors
PMCID:
PMC5200943
ArticlePubReaderPDF–1.3MCitation
Select item 497292311.
Partnerships between the faith-based and medical sectors: Implications for preventive medicine and public health
Jeff Levin
Prev Med Rep. 2016 Dec; 4: 344–350. Published online 2016 Jul 27. doi: 10.1016/j.pmedr.2016.07.009
PMCID:
PMC4972923
ArticlePubReaderPDF–327KCitation
Select item 495813212.
Hunter-Gatherers and the Origins of Religion
Hervey C. Peoples, Pavel Duda, Frank W. Marlowe
Hum Nat. 2016; 27: 261–282. Published online 2016 May 6. doi: 10.1007/s12110-016-9260-0
PMCID:
PMC4958132
ArticlePubReaderPDF–827KCitation
Select item 495775813.
Spirituality/Religiosity: A Cultural and Psychological Resource among Sub-Saharan African Migrant Women with HIV/AIDS in Belgium
Agnes Ebotabe Arrey, Johan Bilsen, Patrick Lacor, Reginald Deschepper
PLoS One. 2016; 11(7): e0159488. Published online 2016 Jul 22. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0159488
PMCID:
PMC4957758
ArticlePubReaderPDF–357KCitation
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Faith Moves Mountains—Mountains Move Faith: Two Opposite Epidemiological Forces in Research on Religion and Health
N. C. Hvidt, D. Hvidtjørn, K. Christensen, J. B. Nielsen, J. Søndergaard
J Relig Health. 2017; 56(1): 294–304. Published online 2016 Aug 19. doi: 10.1007/s10943-016-0300-1
PMCID:
PMC5222926
ArticlePubReaderPDF–465KCitation

 

[HitchSlap]

Absolutely.
And I know how you all LOVE to pretend that you alone know the proper definition. No matter what definition someone posts, you'll use another. All of which still say about the same thing.
In fact, I have actually cut and pasted other people's definitions just to watch them inevitable give a different definition.
It's quite hilarious, really.
Matter cannot be created, and yet it exists.
Matter is not eternal, and yet it exists without a cause.
Before there was anything there had to be nothing. Beginning with nothingness, no activity will ever happen.

This makes zero sense.

Try again to explain how the Laws of Thermodynamics have any thing to do with universe's and their beginnings.

 

[SkyWriting]

Evolution theory is an explanation of a set of a facts. It does no "treating".

It does nothing but treating.
How booooring would the
facts be without conclusions
and invented stories?

 

[Loudmouth]

That's not what I asked.

Yeah it is. You asked if evolution treats abiogenesis like it treats God. I said that evolution doesn't discuss either of them. In other words, it treats them the same.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah it is. You asked if evolution treats abiogenesis like it treats God. I said that evolution doesn't discuss either of them. In other words, it treats them the same.

Bologna.

Again, look at my examples.

These aren't examples of scientists keep their mouths shut.

Evolution may not discuss either of them, as you said, but when it does break the silence, it's true colors show ... don't they?

And that's what this challenge is about.

How is abiogenesis treated when it is discussed? the same way God gets treated?

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolution may not discuss either of them, as you said, but when it does break the silence, it's true colors show ... don't they?

Evolution doesn't have a mouth. It's a scientific theory.

I think you are confusing the scientists with the theory.

How is abiogenesis treated when it is discussed? the same way God gets treated?

Abiogenesis is treated as an area of active scientific research, because it is.

God is treated as a faith based religious belief, because it is.

 

[Speedwell]

Does the mutual exclusivity of the thaws of thermodynamics bother you?
The fact is, there are NO scientific theories of origination which do not violate one or more law.

I don't know about that. I only know about the real laws of thermodynamics, which pose no obstacle.

 

[miknik5]

This makes zero sense.

Try again to explain how the Laws of Thermodynamics have any thing to do with universe's and their beginnings.

There was a beginning

How do you know?

What do you want me to say?

 

[miknik5]

Evolution doesn't have a mouth. It's a scientific theory.

I think you are confusing the scientists with the theory.



Abiogenesis is treated as an area of active scientific research, because it is.

God is treated as a faith based religious belief, because it is.

There's s big difference between GOD and religion

Just as there's a big difference between GOD and science